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This is going to be long rambling message be fore warned. During the 5 months of down time I took up a TT history project that was inspired by a member from my club who before we would start a doubles match would state that he and his partner were 7 times National champions at Nationals/US Open tournament. So I decided to actually research this claim. Ultimately what I did was research and looked for all players in the 3 state Pacific Northwest states (Wa, Or, Id) who had won a event at either US Nationals & US Opens starting in 1976 (first year of Nationals) to present. It took 2 months to find all the tournament result information from multiple sources. The finished project is posted on the Pacific Northwest Table Tennis group FB page. Turned out the 7 time claimed winner was just a 2 time doubles winner. LOL

While I was doing the research it got me wondering (Actually was getting irritated) why hasn't the USTTA/USATT kept tournament result files for all those tournaments? All USTTA/USATT has listed on their website is the Men's, Women's, and doubles winners. What about the thousands of other players who have played and won events? Shouldn't all the winners be acknowledged? So right now as of tonight I have complete tournament event summaries for both the Nationals & US Opens from 1993 to 2019. Results for the 1976 to 1992 tournaments I still have to look up. My plan is to enter all the information into most likely Excel spreadsheet and offer it to USATT if they will post it on their website. If not then I will  post it on the PNW TT group FB page mentioned above for anyone to look up their past results. Maybe when Mts388's tells his grand kids that grandpa won a National title at the 1989 National and they don't believe him. Now  he can look it up and show them. Better yet if anyone here has won event at either of the 2 tournaments (especially before 2008) in the last 44 years try and look up the results. 
Just a FYI,  NATT recently took down their link the for the results for Nationals?Opens.     


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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Just a FYI,  NATT recently took down their link the for the results for Nationals?Opens.     

Well, about that part, the NATT had been contracted/assisting the USATT in running those events. USATT decided to end that relationship.

You are doing valuable work here. What about throwing the data up on a Wikipedia page? (disclaimer, I know nothing about how to do that)
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Just a FYI,  NATT recently took down their link the for the results for Nationals?Opens.     

Well, about that part, the NATT had been contracted/assisting the USATT in running those events. USATT decided to end that relationship.

You are doing valuable work here. What about throwing the data up on a Wikipedia page? (disclaimer, I know nothing about how to do that)
I wouldn't know how to do that either. I would have to find someone who could do it or maybe a website where the person would click on a tab button for the year he wanted to look at.   It will months before I get to that point I'm guessing. 
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I think it would be a great disservice not to include the runner-up in those events.  Especially those who only lost because some underrated junior who had not played in the US for over a year was allowed to cross our border and take championships away from US  citizens.  

Forget the wall with Mexico and build one up north to keep those pesky Canadian juniors out of our tournaments.

Mark -  Who dares you to guess his results in the 2010 US Open U1500.
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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

I think it would be a great disservice not to include the runner-up in those events.  Especially those who only lost because some underrated junior who had not played in the US for over a year was allowed to cross our border and take championships away from US  citizens.  

Forget the wall with Mexico and build one up north to keep those pesky Canadian juniors out of our tournaments.

Mark -  Who dares you to guess his results in the 2010 US Open U1500.
That’s something I’m currently debating. There’s not 100% uniformity on the results recording. Some results show the players states some don’t. Some have the match score results some don’t. One year only has the winner of the event and that’s from 1993 to now. I haven’t dug into the 1976 to 1992 records yet.
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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

I think it would be a great disservice not to include the runner-up in those events.  Especially those who only lost because some underrated junior who had not played in the US for over a year was allowed to cross our border and take championships away from US  citizens.  

Forget the wall with Mexico and build one up north to keep those pesky Canadian juniors out of our tournaments.

Mark -  Who dares you to guess his results in the 2010 US Open U1500.


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[QUOTE=mjamja]I think it would be a great disservice not to include the runner-up in those events.  Especially those who only lost because some underrated junior who had not played in the US for over a year was allowed to cross our border and take championships away from US  citizens.  

Forget the wall with Mexico and build one up north to keep those pesky Canadian juniors out of our tournaments.

Mark -  Who dares you to guess his results in the 2010 US Open U1500.
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You lost to Leanne Lee from Vancouver B.C. 3-2. She’s from Vancouver, BC area. She has played in tournaments in my area throughout the years. Have played against her in singles and doubles.
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Thanks for your valuable service. I’d like my kids to see my past tournament accomplishments. I hope it will also include hardbat results.
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Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Vince,

Thanks for your valuable service. I’d like my kids to see my past tournament accomplishments. I hope it will also include hardbat results.
All results listed on the summary pages will be listed. 
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Project update. U.S. Nationals from 2009 to 2018 tournament summary results are completed. U.S. Opens from 2001 to 2018 are done. Will be working on 2000 later this evening.
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I'm looking the dates for the 1999 and 2000 US Open. I know both tournaments were held in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. If anyone happens to know/remember the dates I'll gladly take the information.  
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I'm looking the dates for the 1999 and 2000 US Open. I know both tournaments were held in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. If anyone happens to know/remember the dates I'll gladly take the information.  
June 30-July 4, 1999
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Originally posted by larrytt larrytt wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I'm looking the dates for the 1999 and 2000 US Open. I know both tournaments were held in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. If anyone happens to know/remember the dates I'll gladly take the information.  
June 30-July 4, 1999
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Thanks Larry. All results from 2019 to 1993 U.S. Open results are done.
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Project update. All U.S Open results from 1993 to 2019 are entered. U.S Nationals results from 1993 to 2018 have been entered. Found during data entry for 2003 Nationals  Heavyspin carries his lower rated partner Judy Hugh to the finals of the U-4200 Doubles where they beat Masuru Hashimoto/John Schneider 9,9,5. 
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Tournament results are now entered back through to the 1983 US Open and Nationals. Just a note on results from the 1980’s ( especially the farther you get back in the years) the results are scattered all over the place and there are rarely any scores mentioned. I’m also fairly certain that I’m missing some event results either because they weren’t reported on in the articles or I just never saw them while reading the chapter. 1984 Nationals for example the only rated doubles event I found results for were U-1800 which I’m certain is a mistype. Oh well I can only enter what I can find! Lol
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Tournament results are now entered back through to the 1983 US Open and Nationals. Just a note on results from the 1980’s ( especially the farther you get back in the years) the results are scattered all over the place and there are rarely any scores mentioned. I’m also fairly certain that I’m missing some event results either because they weren’t reported on in the articles or I just never saw them while reading the chapter. 1984 Nationals for example the only rated doubles event I found results for were U-1800 which I’m certain is a mistype. Oh well I can only enter what I can find! Lol

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I know this is extreme long shot idea, but if anyone who played in the US Opens and Nationals in the 1980’s decade has a tournament (assuming they had them back then) program orn the entry form from those tournaments I would be greatly interested in seeing a copy of it to verify the events vs what I was able to find. Maybe even old copies of Table Tennis Topics magazines that might have had the entry form in them. I want to make this project as accurate when it’s finished and eventually posted online.

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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I know this is extreme long shot idea, but if anyone who played in the US Opens and Nationals in the 1980’s decade has a tournament (assuming they had them back then) program orn the entry form from those tournaments I would be greatly interested in seeing a copy of it to verify the events vs what I was able to find. Maybe even old copies of Table Tennis Topics magazines that might have had the entry form in them. I want to make this project as accurate when it’s finished and eventually posted online.

I found the entry form for the 1984 US Nationals in the October 1984 issue of Spin Magazine (which is what they called USATT Magazine back then). The only rating doubles event was U3600 Doubles, so the U1800 Doubles was a mistake. 
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Originally posted by larrytt larrytt wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I know this is extreme long shot idea, but if anyone who played in the US Opens and Nationals in the 1980’s decade has a tournament (assuming they had them back then) program orn the entry form from those tournaments I would be greatly interested in seeing a copy of it to verify the events vs what I was able to find. Maybe even old copies of Table Tennis Topics magazines that might have had the entry form in them. I want to make this project as accurate when it’s finished and eventually posted online.

I found the entry form for the 1984 US Nationals in the October 1984 issue of Spin Magazine (which is what they called USATT Magazine back then). The only rating doubles event was U3600 Doubles, so the U1800 Doubles was a mistake. 
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Thanks Larry. if happen to find 1981 Nationals can you see if there was a U-1900 Singles?

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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by larrytt larrytt wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I know this is extreme long shot idea, but if anyone who played in the US Opens and Nationals in the 1980’s decade has a tournament (assuming they had them back then) program orn the entry form from those tournaments I would be greatly interested in seeing a copy of it to verify the events vs what I was able to find. Maybe even old copies of Table Tennis Topics magazines that might have had the entry form in them. I want to make this project as accurate when it’s finished and eventually posted online.

I found the entry form for the 1984 US Nationals in the October 1984 issue of Spin Magazine (which is what they called USATT Magazine back then). The only rating doubles event was U3600 Doubles, so the U1800 Doubles was a mistake. 
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Thanks Larry. if happen to find 1981 Nationals can you see if there was a U-1900 Singles?
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looking for results for 2019 Nationals. I have a list of who won all the events but it doesn’t show runner up or the scores. Other wise all other results from 1976 to 2019 for both tournaments have been entered into their respective spreadsheets. 
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Does anyone know where the 1999 and 2005 U.S Nationals were held. I'm assuming they were both in Las Vegas but wanted to verify.
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The webpage for U.S. Opens & Nationals tournament summary results from 1976 to present is under currently under construction. Completion date will hopefully be closer to sooner rather than later! LOL

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