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    Posted: 08/07/2019 at 9:56am
it's very rare i turn on my TV but i wanted to see if any TT from Lima was being shown...even a clip BUT instead i find this on ESPN during primetime...






Edited by Charlie Brown - 08/07/2019 at 9:57am
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LOL
You just wait.  One day TTX will be on there!
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Things I saw on ESPN/2 in prime time (or close to it) so far:

Drone racing
Cornhole
Axe throwing
Lumberjacks
Esports (Counterstrike?)
Bowling

Waiting for pickleball to make an appearance - I bet it will be there before TT.
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Table tennis is a great sport but not well suited for large in person audiences.
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Things I saw on ESPN/2 in prime time (or close to it) so far:

Drone racing
Cornhole
Axe throwing
Lumberjacks
Esports (Counterstrike?)
Bowling

Waiting for pickleball to make an appearance - I bet it will be there before TT.
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To be fair I did see table tennis on ESPN several years ago sponsored by Killerspin. Unfortunately, it just never took off.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

To be fair I did see table tennis on ESPN several years ago sponsored by Killerspin. Unfortunately, it just never took off.

ESPN 3 showed the women's world cup in Philly and a few other events I think.
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"To be fair I did see table tennis on ESPN several years ago sponsored by Killerspin. Unfortunately, it just never took off."


Showing it once or twice does not do any good. I mean they show poker games constantly. Dart Tourneys, curling.....CURLING!!...they show golf tourneys endlessly.....car races way too often, and of course the major sports Baseball-Basketball-Football which take up a huge percentage of the overall day.

They show so much crap, what little TT they show is lost in this sea of boring sports events programming.
I don't remember the last time I watched ESPN or TSN (so how do you know what they are showing, you may ask?!?....well, Ive been known to go to sports bars every now and then for a cold one). I have zero interest on what they show, and lets not forget the huge amount of time spent in broadcasting commercials!

Table Tennis culture in North America is what you find at TT clubs. That's pretty much it. Ive learned to live with that reality. It's ok.

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Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

it's very rare i turn on my TV but i wanted to see if any TT from Lima was being shown...even a clip BUT instead i find this on ESPN during primetime...






I'd maybe play this for a minute or two. But I don't see myself playing a sport with guaranteed brain damage.

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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

Showing it once or twice does not do any good. I mean they show poker games constantly. Dart Tourneys, curling.....CURLING!!...they show golf tourneys endlessly.....car races way too often, and of course the major sports Baseball-Basketball-Football which take up a huge percentage of the overall day.




Basically they show everything that doesn't need to use brain. They want to make people stupid.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

Showing it once or twice does not do any good. I mean they show poker games constantly. Dart Tourneys, curling.....CURLING!!...they show golf tourneys endlessly.....car races way too often, and of course the major sports Baseball-Basketball-Football which take up a huge percentage of the overall day.




Basically they show everything that doesn't need to use brain. They want to make people stupid.

Don't ever say head-tennis players don't use their brain again. 
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Head-tennis players are not using their brain. They are using their head. There's a difference.

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Sorry to say this, pickleball is already on...their national championships were on CBS Sports Network.

The Women's World Cup was on ESPN2 in 2016. It drew an audience of over 880,000 US viewers, which was very promising considering it was a Sunday night in the middle of the NFL season.

There is no question there is an audience for table tennis on television. It is a matter of producing events that belong on television from a production standpoint (not inexpensive) and consistency in programming (as someone said, more than once or twice a year)...creating audiences is one thing, creating consistent audiences is another.

Then there is the question of whether TV (called "over the air" even though it is really cable) is an effective strategy to pursue given modern media consumption patters, or whether a direct to device is a more effective allocation of resources. There is no question sponsors still love the OTA model, but is it really the best way to reach consumers?

Edited by Gordy - 08/13/2019 at 2:13pm
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Good post Gordy.

On July 25th, I saw an excellent production on NHK World under their J-Arena program. It covered the world of choppers and although it featured Kohji Matsushita they highlighted other choppers and even had a female newscaster trying to return backspin. The balls were multi-colored so it was easy to see the spin.

It was a very high-quality episode and in English. It's one of the best programs I have seen concerning our sport, in English. But as you mentioned, producing this stuff ain't cheap. 

I can only dream they'd produce stuff like this in the US.
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Somewhat related, TT popularity among players in the USA. Currently there are around 9,000 USATT members. The peak membership around 1980 was well over 10,000, with a much smaller population in the USA. I don't know what year or what the peak membership level was. I've searched, but could not find a history of the number of members versus year for USTTA / USATT.
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@leyasu - Yes, I saw the piece and it was excellent. There have been several other high quality productions from around the world (including, by the way, the ITTF World Tour, World Championships, and other events). The key issue is consistency, both in production and availability. Right now the general consumer has to find the information rather than making it available in regularly scheduled programming. One of the many reasons why the NFL is what it is (or you could substitute the Premier League here if you want) is that there is consistency in their programming, from a production quality and availability standpoint. For the NFL in particular, there has been a substantial amount of disagreement over whether the Thursday games are good for the league - I am not going to posit a view, but as a fan, I like the fact that (other than Monday Night Football), my viewing is scheduled. I know they play on Sundays, and I know it's either on Fox or CBS (during the day) or NBC (at night). I do think the changing viewing patterns of the modern day consumer must be considered as well, but as I said before, right now OTA still rules from a sponsorship standpoint.

@rcdldr - I don't know where you would find that information, but one of the many complications in the "membership" number is that people purchase what are essentially 365 day memberships (e.g., if I buy my membership on March 20th, it expires March 31st of the following year) as opposed to "annual" memberships (e.g., all memberships start on January 1 and end on December 31). So yes you can get a general sense of the membership numbers, but consider the actual number may vary greatly from, for example, August 27 to September 1 (based on who has renewed and when). I always looked at "participation" as a more relevant and meaningful number - how many players are playing in how many tournaments (thus the tournament pass) - in judging the growth or non-growth of USATT as an institution. I believe (but I don't have the numbers in front of me) we saw double-digit growth from 2017 to 2018 in tournament participation, which is a very positive sign. Granted many of them (with the new tournament pass) did not become full members, but participation in tournaments benefits the system as a whole - from USATT to tournaments to clubs to participants. Hope this makes sense.

Edited by Gordy - 08/13/2019 at 7:04pm
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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

@rcdldr - I don't know where you would find that information  ... I believe ... double-digit growth from 2017 to 2018 in tournament participation ...
I don't know about nationwide, but in Orange County, California, it seems the number of players has decreased since the 1990's, based on feedback I get from some players at a small venue that also play at Orange Coast College (OCC). Part of this is due to OCC changing from nights on weekdays to daytime on weekends. The feedback is the average ratings of players at OCC now is significantly down from what those players call the "heydays" of OCC, back in the 1980's and 1990's. In the old days, the rows somewhat corresponded to rating, 1st row 1500 to 1700, 2nd row 1800 to 2000 or so, 3rd row, 2100+ (one or two 2400 players). There's another group that plays in Fountain Valley, but I don't have any feedback about that venue (other than there's no air conditioning, and it gets too hot inside).

I"m wondering if this is another issue with the interest of millennials being different than the older generations, combined with oldest players no longer playing as they age out.

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