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Originally posted by Clarence247 Clarence247 wrote:

Flat hits with this rubber are brilliant, aggressive block, flat hit down the line, bh and fh drive are very easy. Smash is very fast but must ensure it doesn't go long... Power is never lacking. Likewise for drives and aggressive block a slightly more closed angle than my Hammond pro beta was needed. Typically the ball on a powerful hit lands close to the white line with a low and straight trajectory making relooping the ball much harder than against T05 where the ball tends to bounce up. With mantra M the ball kind of skims off the surface if u don't add much spin or if you power loop. Only slow spinny loops bounce up 




Yes i could get that good feeling more on FH today.. plus some changes needed in defence since Coppa has softer topsheet than Mantra M

How long are you playing with Mantra M, how durable and consistent has it been with time
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Well, this year I have not played a lot, I play in a league every Friday for 2-3 hours, but I very rarely train mid-week. I attached the rubber in March 2019, and it is still perfectly good. 

So I can confirm that it is durable. I did not boost it or anything, however, Since I attached it, basically I spent 3 weeks playing everyday for 3-4 hrs, then I played only once a week on average with some weeks being twice a week.

However, I am not one of those players who needs a rubber to play exactly like new, nevertheless, I'd say there was less than a 10% drop in performance.

Also Remember that currently Mantra M is on my BH with MX-P on my FH - my game is FH looper, BH blocker / hitter, opening loop. I always try to get into a position for my FH if I can, so I think I hit less with my BH in a game than with my FH.

Maybe if you are particular and want peek performance, u could change a sheet after 6 months, but for me, I just don't need to. It still has 95% of it's power and spin.

Originally posted by shrisan shrisan wrote:


Yes i could get that good feeling more on FH today.. plus some changes needed in defence since Coppa has softer topsheet than Mantra M

How long are you playing with Mantra M, how durable and consistent has it been with time


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That sounds good and maybe better than most ESN rubbers in terms maintaining quality for longer.


Originally posted by Clarence247 Clarence247 wrote:

Well, this year I have not played a lot, I play in a league every Friday for 2-3 hours, but I very rarely train mid-week. I attached the rubber in March 2019, and it is still perfectly good. 

So I can confirm that it is durable. I did not boost it or anything, however, Since I attached it, basically I spent 3 weeks playing everyday for 3-4 hrs, then I played only once a week on average with some weeks being twice a week.

However, I am not one of those players who needs a rubber to play exactly like new, nevertheless, I'd say there was less than a 10% drop in performance.

Also Remember that currently Mantra M is on my BH with MX-P on my FH - my game is FH looper, BH blocker / hitter, opening loop. I always try to get into a position for my FH if I can, so I think I hit less with my BH in a game than with my FH.

Maybe if you are particular and want peek performance, u could change a sheet after 6 months, but for me, I just don't need to. It still has 95% of it's power and spin.

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Yes i could get that good feeling more on FH today.. plus some changes needed in defence since Coppa has softer topsheet than Mantra M

How long are you playing with Mantra M, how durable and consistent has it been with time


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coppa gold is actually a great rubber.
it has more control in the short game than the newer tensor rubbers.
when you hit hard it offers the same speed.
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The stuff is really fragile around the edges.  You can get used to anything but this is a really old approach to getting a "speed glue effect rubber" and I really think there are much better options now.
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indeed if you grab a bluestorm it's faster, more springy, when you loop get a better arc.....

but in a match it's serve receive, block, maybe loop once or twice.
the not so bouncy coppa gold with a rather sticky topsheet is great for this.

I might become a man and go back to the

coppa gold - donic persson powerplay - coppa gold

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What is your current setup

Yes, there are some points about Coppa , and i wanted to keep those while moving to next rubber
I feel Mantra M is a good step ahead atleast for BH, still early days to comment on FH

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

indeed if you grab a bluestorm it's faster, more springy, when you loop get a better arc.....

but in a match it's serve receive, block, maybe loop once or twice.
the not so bouncy coppa gold with a rather sticky topsheet is great for this.

I might become a man and go back to the

coppa gold - donic persson powerplay - coppa gold

setup
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Originally posted by shrisan shrisan wrote:

What is your current setup

Yes, there are some points about Coppa , and i wanted to keep those while moving to next rubber
I feel Mantra M is a good step ahead atleast for BH, still early days to comment on FH

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

indeed if you grab a bluestorm it's faster, more springy, when you loop get a better arc.....

but in a match it's serve receive, block, maybe loop once or twice.
the not so bouncy coppa gold with a rather sticky topsheet is great for this.

I might become a man and go back to the

coppa gold - donic persson powerplay - coppa gold

setup

I don't really have a setup.... it depends on which way the wind is blowing.
last setups I used were

tibhar chila with joola rhyzer
tibhar iv-l with tenergy 05

I think I even played a league match with the coppa gold and the persson powerplay back then.
but later I sold everything.


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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:


I don't really have a setup.... it depends on which way the wind is blowing.
last setups I used were

tibhar chila with joola rhyzer
tibhar iv-l with tenergy 05

I think I even played a league match with the coppa gold and the persson powerplay back then.
but later I sold everything.

Coppa gold suits well with All wood blades and i am feeling so does Mantra M
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The Karis sheets I have, made in same factory as Mantra, and similar in many respects, seem immortal,
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The Karis sheets I have, made in same factory as Mantra, and similar in many respects, seem immortal,

After playing with Mantra M for a week, i feel more interest in Karis.. What were the differences you found between Mantra and Karis
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Originally posted by shrisan shrisan wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The Karis sheets I have, made in same factory as Mantra, and similar in many respects, seem immortal,

After playing with Mantra M for a week, i feel more interest in Karis.. What were the differences you found between Mantra and Karis


Mantra is generally faster, especially Mantra H, which most people who try them prefer to Mantra M.  Karis can be just as fast as Mantra H but you need to really swing hard.  Karis is better in the short game. The thing they both have is very short pips under the top sheet.  However Karis takes that to an extreme, and I think the underlying sponge is slightly slower compared to Mantra H.  The very short pips makes the deformation of the top sheet when the ball strikes a lot more predictable but it also means the rubber does less of the work for you.  The overall effect is something that is very "linear" and predictable.  A lot of people will not like that, especially if they are used to boosted fast rubbers.  I very much like it.  But I didn't like it the first couple of times I used it.  Some other people who have used it maybe can chime in.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by shrisan shrisan wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The Karis sheets I have, made in same factory as Mantra, and similar in many respects, seem immortal,

After playing with Mantra M for a week, i feel more interest in Karis.. What were the differences you found between Mantra and Karis


Mantra is generally faster, especially Mantra H, which most people who try them prefer to Mantra M.  Karis can be just as fast as Mantra H but you need to really swing hard.  Karis is better in the short game. The thing they both have is very short pips under the top sheet.  However Karis takes that to an extreme, and I think the underlying sponge is slightly slower compared to Mantra H.  The very short pips makes the deformation of the top sheet when the ball strikes a lot more predictable but it also means the rubber does less of the work for you.  The overall effect is something that is very "linear" and predictable.  A lot of people will not like that, especially if they are used to boosted fast rubbers.  I very much like it.  But I didn't like it the first couple of times I used it.  Some other people who have used it maybe can chime in.

Thanks, would you say that Karis  plays closer to Mantra M in terms of regular speed and bit more linear than Mantra M
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It's been awhile since I hit with either Mantra.  If I remember correctly, Karis is more linear than either, midway between the two in terms of speed.  I can use Karis and Mantra H.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

It's been awhile since I hit with either Mantra.  If I remember correctly, Karis is more linear than either, midway between the two in terms of speed.  I can use Karis and Mantra H.

Thats interesting, revspin rating is lower speed than Mark V and which can misguide people from even trying it out
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