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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

https://www.ittf.com/2019/01/04/gordon-kaye-appointed-ittf-managing-director-product-innovation/


Congrats. What do you think of TTX though? I think Veterans TT is obviously important given the sports' demographics.
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TTX sounds like a project to be put in the same category than "aerobics table tennis", an endeavor started by a beginner tt player who took over a university club as a freshman: all at the table, put music loud and drill on the beat! maybe very appealing to the masses, much less to the initiated; it did not go too far.
All ideas to bring more people in the game are good though. If in a TTX event newbies look on the side, see real matches and get sucked in, then they might pick the real game up and join USATT.
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Congratz Gordon!

So this new appointment had nothing to do with your resignation from USATT, or did you resign because you wanted this new position with the ITTF?


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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

https://www.ittf.com/2019/01/04/gordon-kaye-appointed-ittf-managing-director-product-innovation/
So what does Managing Director of Product Innovation actually mean?  New ways to present table tennis to the public?  New types of ball material?  (I suggest corkLOL).
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Congratz Gordon!

So this new appointment had nothing to do with your resignation from USATT, or did you resign because you wanted this new position with the ITTF?



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Hello, all!

Sorry for the delayed responses - been a bit of a "transition" time so I haven't had as much of my usual mytt time lately! 

First and foremost, I do not think that USATT is a "sinking ship." Much the opposite, I see a bright future for USATT with a board and dedicated base of enthusiasts. It has been an amazing four years filled with highs and lows - but most of all I have seen (for the most part) a large and dedicated group of people who are committed to seeing USATT succeed. So "sinking ship" is far from what I see!

At the same time, I believe that in order for US (and I mean table tennis in the US) to be successful in the long run, we need an "all-hands-on-deck" approach that integrates resources and innovation from inside and outside of USATT.  So while the decision to leave USATT was very difficult, I don't see it as leaving as much as working with USATT to find new ways to develop and grow the sport.

The short answer to the question about TTX is YES I believe the product can be transformational with respect to the growth of the sport - we just need to work together to (a) develop a strong user base focused on the fun, social, and health benefits of playing; and then (b) bringing those people into the "table tennis" family. I do think TTX can be that product/service to bridge the gap between the recreational player/interested fan and the core sport - but I also think we can't just open the doors and expect everyone to walk in. 

I want to reiterate - I firmly believe my decision to leave USATT, when put in the perspective of the increased interest and investment in the growth of the sport in North America and worldwide, can and will be good for USATT as well. My resignation, in other words, was directly because I wanted this new position with the ITTF and I thought it would be good for all parties.

I know the USATT board is committed to seeing growth and stability - and will find a more than capable person to take the organization to new heights. I look forward to working with them (and all of you) to see our great sport continue to grow and flourish.

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@Next - the demographics of table tennis in the US are quite surprising..

"Congrats. What do you think of TTX though? I think Veterans TT is obviously important given the sports' demographics."

Yes! I 100% agree that Veterans TT is an important demographic both in the US and worldwide that needs to be developed and I think the Veterans Tour can and will be a great way to create a professionally organized structure around the veterans table tennis community.

At the same time, there is a large demographic of "ping pong" players that fit in the 18-44 demographic that are, frankly, not engaged in our core product right now. A quick look at 2016 numbers (I just happen to have that open right now - the 2017 numbers are not that different) from SFIA shows the three largest demographic groups of ping pong players (at least once a year) fit in 18-24 (16.5%), 25-34 (20.4%), and 35-44 (15.6%) - so a majority of "ping pong players" (52.5% of the 16.5MM people in the US that have identified themselves as "ping pong players") sit outside of USATT's core user base.

Go deeper and the numbers don't look that different - looking at "core ping pong players" (more than 1 x per month) the demos look like this: 18-24 (16.6%), 25-34 (18.7), and 35-44 (11.4%), or a total of 46.6% of the 4.6MM "core" players fit outside what we typically think of as engaged in USATT and the "core sport" of table tennis.

So what does this tell us? Well, for one, that people are playing "ping pong" an awful lot, whether it's at home, in a rec center, a club, or somewhere else. It also tells us that we need a product more targeted to the 18-44 demo to bring them from the "game" to the "sport". 

I see the vision of TTX as a way to bridge the gap and bring this large group of players into the USATT/ITTF/"table tennis" family. Will TTX be the place we find our next Olympic medalist? Probably not. But I see it as a great way to create engagement in a demographic that is not necessarily engaged in our product right now.

Hope this helps answer the question.
Gordon 


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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

@Next - the demographics of table tennis in the US are quite surprising..

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Yes! I 100% agree that Veterans TT is an important demographic both in the US and worldwide that needs to be developed and I think the Veterans Tour can and will be a great way to create a professionally organized structure around the veterans table tennis community.

At the same time, there is a large demographic of "ping pong" players that fit in the 18-44 demographic that are, frankly, not engaged in our core product right now. A quick look at 2016 numbers (I just happen to have that open right now - the 2017 numbers are not that different) from SFIA shows the three largest demographic groups of ping pong players (at least once a year) fit in 18-24 (16.5%), 25-34 (20.4%), and 35-44 (15.6%) - so a majority of "ping pong players" (52.5% of the 16.5MM people in the US that have identified themselves as "ping pong players") sit outside of USATT's core user base.

Go deeper and the numbers don't look that different - looking at "core ping pong players" (more than 1 x per month) the demos look like this: 18-24 (16.6%), 25-34 (18.7), and 35-44 (11.4%), or a total of 46.6% of the 4.6MM "core" players fit outside what we typically think of as engaged in USATT and the "core sport" of table tennis.

So what does this tell us? Well, for one, that people are playing "ping pong" an awful lot, whether it's at home, in a rec center, a club, or somewhere else. It also tells us that we need a product more targeted to the 18-44 demo to bring them from the "game" to the "sport". 

I see the vision of TTX as a way to bridge the gap and bring this large group of players into the USATT/ITTF/"table tennis" family. Will TTX be the place we find our next Olympic medalist? Probably not. But I see it as a great way to create engagement in a demographic that is not necessarily engaged in our product right now.

Hope this helps answer the question.
Gordon 



I 99% agree with this and think the recreational and exhibition aspect of our sport is greatly underutilized. The 1% I disagree with is TTX as the solution.

That said the devil is always in the details. But anything to expand the commercial value of our sport is welcome and I think that there is a lot of room for TT to do things outside hardbat and ITTF sanctioned TT that are sports that appeal to the minds of not just hardcore players. Hopefully, they will find something like but better than TTX to make this work.
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I for one am just glad to have someone who frequents our pages in a position to carry our experiences as non-pro players to ITTF.  We may not be pros but there are a lot of us.  We feel ignored.
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I don't believe that TTX can bring more players to Table Tennis.
Introducing TTX won't be able to grow table tennis.
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TTX was introduced in 2016.  So far I haven't seen people playing TTX in the city where I live.


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That is very true. On the other hand, pickleball is spreading like wild fire.
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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

That is very true. On the other hand, pickleball is spreading like wild fire.

+1, was about to make the same point. To the best of my knowledge it does not have ITTF or tennis/racketball/squash governing body behind it, and yet somehow it succeeds.
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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

That is very true. On the other hand, pickleball is spreading like wild fire.


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Pickleball it is.

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This thread seems to allow to post. Not other thread.

Anyone has problems to post, you can do a test post here.


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MyTT is another sinking ship.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

MyTT is another sinking ship.
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OMG, hope you are wrong.
Can you see, they still got one thread working? (This thread works. You can do a test post here)
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Can not create a new thread.
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Use different computers and different browsers - none works.
Logout then login (again) won't help.
If one has an existing post, one can edit it - the system will take it.

Btw, the thread "2019 All Japan Champion Jan. 14-20" has new info (because I edited an existing post.)



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Testing

Edit: Been having a ton of troubles posting. Looks okay for now

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Testing

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First, congrats Gordon on your new post.

There's a few things that puzzle me.  First, each set has a 2 minute limit (or a gap of 10 pts).  Are players suppose to bring a Kutchen timer or use a timer app on their cell phone?  Why not just make it points based.  I don't think that is a barrier to entry for TT.  It also seems susceptible to time wasting and in the rule book it is "frowned upon ... In the event of time-wasting by any player, the umpire may award any number of points to the opponent, at his/her own discretion." 

Secondly, though it tries to uncomplicate the serve rules by pretty much allowing anything (I guess I can quickly run to the side of the table and do a quick serve?), you keep serving if you won the last point.  This seems to me that this runs into the problem that TT had when serves were 5 in a row in the 21 pt game.  A serving wizard could win the set in 10 serves or less ("Wildcard" and/or "Winner" pts) without the opponent even getting a chance to serve.

Thirdly, there's strong potential for conflicts between TT and TTX players regarding the limited number of tables already available at clubs.  And there's also for potential young TT cadets to get enticed by the easier to play, shiny new TTX.
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The 2 minutes limit might be useful so the control desk has a much higher hand at managing time, the expedite rule will never apply for example. People playing against the spirit of the game and making points last longer on purpose can't anymore piss people off.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

The 2 minutes limit might be useful so the control desk has a much higher hand at managing time, the expedite rule will never apply for example. People playing against the spirit of the game and making points last longer on purpose can't anymore piss people off.

Most matches will not be umpired.  A player ahead by a few points can wipe his hand on the table, tie his shoes, towel off, or go back slowly to the barrier to retrieve the ball and slowly walk back to the table.  Oops... times up.  Guess he won the set.
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