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    Posted: 02/03/2019 at 12:20am
I guess, every EJ / collector who has been hoarding 'rare' Viscaria ST handle blades (whether original or remade) might want to try be the first out the door?

Page 23 of the 2019 BTY catalog - they're bringing the ST handle back, it seems.


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wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)


Edited by fatt - 02/03/2019 at 2:34am
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No more Hadraw blades.
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It's good to see that the price for the Harimoto blade is the same as the regular Innerforce ALC
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handle has the same size than nearly all "off blades handles" from BTY (100 X28X23mm) so...not as large as the original one. 
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.
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Another important reveal: Dignics 05 is priced at a whopping EUR 20 over T05!
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wow good news! Took them long enough, too!
A version of Hurricane 3
A version of Tenergy
A Stiga blade...
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For those who like 85gr blade with thin handle :))

I prefer 93-95gr with larger handle. 


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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.

That is simply called : the law of supply and demand or with other words: the Economy.

You may also consider that a Big Mac is overpriced  but...there are still people who are ready to pay...even more for their burgers so....
If you had an old viscaria ST, would you sell it to me for 129 EUR ?
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.

That is simply called : the law of supply and demand or with other words: the Economy.

You may also consider that a Big Mac is overpriced  but...there are still people who are ready to pay...even more for their burgers so....
If you had an old viscaria ST, would you sell it to me for 129 EUR ?
of course not. It has/ had a handle that wasn't available anymore. But now things have changed. 
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Original Viscaria St handle will never come back because it's a bad design for a composite blade . Great for collecting and holding but bad for play. It was way too wide and made the blade too stiff.
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when will it be available?
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I feel for the original BT ST Vis owners for they wonder and shake; the tibetan mastiffs of the FS section carefully groom their persistence for the unavoidable adjustment to come. This is at the level of continental plates sliding against each other, there will be some fears and losses but together we will prevail.
BTW, if that's where the BT ST Vis is going, could the torment bring the price of the FL ones down as well?
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With recent increasing sale of Viscaria, it is good that BTY has not decided to raise it's price yet (/again). 

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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

With recent increasing sale of Viscaria, it is good that BTY has not decided to raise it's price yet (/again). 
did they raise it once? I remember in early December butterfly had a special offer for viscaria's. Since it was its 25 year anniversary, it was on sale for 99€ or something.
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when will it be available viscaria st?
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I asked Butterfly and they said in May.
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Any new news regarding the blade?
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I checked 2003 official butterfly catalog and compare to new 2019.
Seems the size is the same stated at the catalog.
As you can see above only the thickness is increased from 5.7 to 5.8.
The handle size is the same.
I think or rather i hope Butterfly will not change the size because of the new one.
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BTW you can check the catalog online here.
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Wish they can bring back the Schlager carbon rather than the Sardius
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Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?
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Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?

I think Iruiru have mostly catalog.
Not so sure since i searched for 2003 specifically for Viscaria handle dimension.
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Originally posted by windysummer1 windysummer1 wrote:

Wish they can bring back the Schlager carbon rather than the Sardius

Should bring back both.
Sardius also very popular at SEA region as it have many fans here.
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Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?

I think Iruiru have mostly catalog.
Not so sure since i searched for 2003 specifically for Viscaria handle dimension.

I can't seem to find the catalog. I would be thankful if you could provide links to any earlier catalouges!
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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.
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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.

Hadraw blades are back in their latest catalog Stern Smile:

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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.

Hadraw blades are back in their latest catalog Stern Smile:


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what wrong with Hadraw blades except price?
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