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    Posted: 06/18/2010 at 3:36pm
Hello,

A question about the umpires and what they say in an official match : when a match begins, they say "first set", then "Mr X to serve", then "level" or "none all" or "the ball" or ... something like that.
I'm not a native english speaker so I do not clearly understand what they say, and I asked to some friends but they didn't know either.
What is this mysterious word ?

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I believe it's "Love all". For whatever reason, zero is a bad word in table tennis and tennis. So they use the word "love". It's stupid and I refuse to say it. LOL

But I think that's what they're saying. They're just calling the score, "Love all".

I could be wrong, though.

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"First set.  So-and-So to serve.  Love all!!"

and at the end:  "game so-and-so.  so-and-so wins so-and-so set 11-9.  so-and-so leads 2-0 ("2 games to love").

as a french person, you are probably wondering why english-speaking people say "love" for zero.  well, actually, that "love" is not "l'amour," but actually the english prononciation of the french word "l'oeuf."  i guess the english started using that, cuz the number zero looks like an egg...
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

as a french person, you are probably wondering why english-speaking people say "love" for zero.  well, actually, that "love" is not "l'amour," but actually the english prononciation of the french word "l'oeuf."  i guess the english started using that, cuz the number zero looks like an egg...


Wow ... Shocked
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Originally posted by antares7364 antares7364 wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

as a french person, you are probably wondering why english-speaking people say "love" for zero.  well, actually, that "love" is not "l'amour," but actually the english prononciation of the french word "l'oeuf."  i guess the english started using that, cuz the number zero looks like an egg...


Wow ... Shocked
Someone to confirm that ?


That is correct - in jeu de pomme, that's how they announced zero (an egg) and then it was transferred to English.
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

"First set.  So-and-So to serve.  Love all!!"

and at the end:  "game so-and-so.  so-and-so wins so-and-so set 11-9.  so-and-so leads 2-0 ("2 games to love").

as a french person, you are probably wondering why english-speaking people say "love" for zero.  well, actually, that "love" is not "l'amour," but actually the english prononciation of the french word "l'oeuf."  i guess the english started using that, cuz the number zero looks like an egg...

Wow, I always thought they say LOVE, bc they did not want the guy to feel bad...  We say egg when we get zero on the test too in Vietnamese Smile.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote takaaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/18/2010 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by antares7364 antares7364 wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

as a french person, you are probably wondering why english-speaking people say "love" for zero.  well, actually, that "love" is not "l'amour," but actually the english prononciation of the french word "l'oeuf."  i guess the english started using that, cuz the number zero looks like an egg...


Wow ... Shocked
Someone to confirm that ?


That is correct - in jeu de pomme, that's how they announced zero (an egg) and then it was transferred to English.


forgive me, jim, but that's jeu de paume (palm), as opposed to jeu de pomme (apple).  and it's pronounced slightly differently, too--"paume" rhymes with "home" and "pomme" rhymes with "hum."  well, almost...
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Just found a confirmation on Wikipedia, as Anton said it seems to be the same in tennis and table tennis :
Quote zro (love en anglais) pour aucun point marqu dans le jeu, "love" viendrait du franais "l'uf" qui de par sa forme signifiait zro point.

Source: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis

On the english version page they just say :
Quote A "love" set means that the loser of the set won zero games. In tournament play, the chair umpire announces the winner of the set and the overall score.


EDIT: On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_score :
Quote The origin of the use of "love" for zero is also disputed; it is possible that it derives from the French word for the egg (l'uf) because an egg looks like the number zero.[5][6]  "Love" is also said to derive from "l'heure" or "the hour" (more likely to be translated as "the time") in French. Another possibility of the origin comes from the Dutch expression "iets voor lof doen", which means to do something for praise, implying no other reward (so monetary gain would be zero). The word 'lof' has changed over time to 'love'.[7]


I searched about "jeu de paume" but didn't find anything yet.

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LOVE --> EGG --> SET & MATCH is wrong IMHO even though closer to reality.

LOVE --> SET & MATCH --> EGG sounds more logical to me. At least it gives hope.
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http://www.ittf.com/ITTF_Misc/Comittees/Handbook%2520for_Match_Officials_13th_edition.pdf 18 MATCH CONDUCT, (pp. 18.1&18.4 in particular) -should give you a perfect understanding of the umpire's working vocabulary due for a match presentation.
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Great :

When the players are ready, call love-all or zero-zero, pointing to and naming the first server.
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When each player or pair has scored, say, 4 points the score may be called either as 4-4 or 4-all; the score 0 may be expressed as either zero or love.

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love all.
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