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    Posted: 01/31/2023 at 7:46am
Hello.
I am looking for a spinny rubber for Backhand with a lot control and without catapult.
Could you reccomend me some options?

At now I play with Nittaky Piecea [5-ply hinoki], FH: Nittaku Sieger PK50, BH: Andro Hexer Grip SFX.
I really like my blade and FH rubber, but I still want a little bit faster rubber for my BH.

I'm thinking about replacing Andro with Nittaku Fastarc G-1, but maybe there are better options.
What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any reccomendation.
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Nittaku Hurricane 3 Turbo Blue. It gives a lot of control.
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Thanks a lot TT newbie.
I was considering rather not so hard sponges <50,
but it is an interesting proposition.
Can you say something about the catapult effect this rubber has?


Edited by zgredek_AB - 01/31/2023 at 8:48am
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

Hello.
I am looking for a spinny rubber for Backhand with a lot control and without catapult.
Could you reccomend me some options?

At now I play with Nittaky Piecea [5-ply hinoki], FH: Nittaku Sieger PK50, BH: Andro Hexer Grip SFX.
I really like my blade and FH rubber, but I still want a little bit faster rubber for my BH.

I'm thinking about replacing Andro with Nittaku Fastarc G-1, but maybe there are better options.
What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any reccomendation.
Reading your post I kept in mind G-1 but you finally told that would like something better :) 

Btw - G-1 though really well controllable - still has some catapult effect.

By "better" what do you mean - more linear less catapult or what?
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I'm "old school" so I don't really like the catapult effect - 
I definitely prefer to be able to control the strength and direction of my strikes entirely by myself.

And what I mean by "better rubber"?

My perfect rubber would be:
Control - highest as possible,
Spin - highest as possible,
Speed - moderate,
Catapult - none,
Hardness - between 44-48 degree,
Sensitivity to incoming rotation - low.


Edited by zgredek_AB - 01/31/2023 at 9:39am
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try Butterfly defense rubber will have haighest spin and no catapult, good control
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

I'm "old school" so I don't really like the catapult effect - 
I definitely prefer to be able to control the strength and direction of my strikes entirely by myself.

And what I mean by "better rubber"?

My perfect rubber would be:
Control - highest as possible,
Spin - highest as possible,
Speed - moderate,
Catapult - none,
Hardness - between 44-48 degree,
Sensitivity to incoming rotation - low.
If you pick a rubber that generates highest spin possible it probably will be sensitive to incoming spin.

BTW, about Hurricane Turbo Blue, it is the rubber with hardest sponge available in the market. And when you combine this with a tacky surface the catapult effect is near to zero. 
But of course it is sensitive to spin, not to mention heavy as hell.
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Originally posted by sadius sadius wrote:

try Butterfly defense rubber will have haighest spin and no catapult, good control
Do you mean Butterfly Tackiness Chop or Tackifire C?
Thanks for suggestion, I hadn't considered them before. It could be really good solution for me...

In addition to G-1, I previously also considered:
Nittaku Hammond Z2,
Nittaku Alhelg,
Donic Barracuda,
Joola Rhyzm-P.
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AndroC48, even though I have only played with C53, but it seems to tick your boxes (I don't agree with your characterization of catapult as I am sure most modern sponges have it, including your current BH rubber)
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

If you pick a rubber that generates highest spin possible it probably will be sensitive to incoming spin.

I know that general rule...
However, there are usually exceptions to everything :)
For example, my Nittaku Sieger PK50 can create a lot of spin and at the same time is not too sensitive to incoming rotation.

I have not had the opportunity to try many rubbers in practice, hence the question for you.

[excuse my english, I know it is not the best...]
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

AndroC48, even though I have only played with C53, but it seems to tick your boxes (I don't agree with your characterization of catapult as I am sure most modern sponges have it, including your current BH rubber)

Thanks for suggestion of Andro C48.

Regarding my current BH rubber:
I really like the spin generates by Andro Hexer Grip SFX, but probably because my imperfest technique, it has a little too much catapult for me.
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

AndroC48, even though I have only played with C53, but it seems to tick your boxes (I don't agree with your characterization of catapult as I am sure most modern sponges have it, including your current BH rubber)

Thanks for suggestion of Andro C48.

Regarding my current BH rubber:
I really like the spin generates by Andro Hexer Grip SFX, but probably because my imperfest technique, it has a little too much catapult for me.
ok maybe a H3 37% then, but it won't be faster
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Xiom Jekyll & Hyde V47.5 or X47.5
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

Originally posted by sadius sadius wrote:

try Butterfly defense rubber will have haighest spin and no catapult, good control
Do you mean Butterfly Tackiness Chop or Tackifire C?
Thanks for suggestion, I hadn't considered them before. It could be really good solution for me...

In addition to G-1, I previously also considered:
Nittaku Hammond Z2,
Nittaku Alhelg,
Donic Barracuda,
Joola Rhyzm-P.

Yes, try those classic rubbers. Most of the modern rubbers today will have lots of catapult and not much controls 
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

I'm "old school" so I don't really like the catapult effect - 
I definitely prefer to be able to control the strength and direction of my strikes entirely by myself.

And what I mean by "better rubber"?

My perfect rubber would be:
Control - highest as possible,
Spin - highest as possible,
Speed - moderate,
Catapult - none,
Hardness - between 44-48 degree,
Sensitivity to incoming rotation - low.
I would advice you not so popular solution - use g-1 but in 1.8mm width.
IMHO it satisfies all that you enumerated.
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You might like the XIOM Vega X. It has a relatively soft top sheet which is more elastic than many other ESN medium hard rubbers and a controlled top end speed. It makes it easier to loop underspin balls on the backhand. The other rubber which is also good at this but is even faster is the Nittaku  Hammond Z2.
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Originally posted by Valiantsin Valiantsin wrote:

I would advice you not so popular solution - use g-1 but in 1.8mm width.
IMHO it satisfies all that you enumerated.

You are right. I am closest to this option at now.

However, I want to consider other options too. I have not taken into account for example these recommended Butterfly or Andro C series rubbers so far.

Maybe I'll get a chance to try them at table.

 

I'm not too sure about the Xiom rubbers. I played with a few of them [Musa, Tau, Omega IV] and none suited to me.



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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

I'm not too sure about the Xiom rubbers. I played with a few of them [Musa, Tau, Omega IV] and none suited to me.



I have tried the Musa and Omega IV, and if I thought those were the only types of rubber XIOM contracts out to ESN to make, I'd never buy XIOM either but XIOM has a very diverse range. The Musa was especially bad.
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Originally posted by WingTT WingTT wrote:

The Musa was especially bad.

Agree.
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Try Fastarc C-1. I liked it better than G-1 on the backhand. 45 degrees, Great grip, spin, feeling and control; almost zero catapult, so short game is easy. G1 has all the same properties, but C1 had better feeling and control for me on the backhand probably due to the slightly softer sponge.  

Edited by waingro - 02/02/2023 at 9:26pm
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Originally posted by waingro waingro wrote:

Try Fastarc C-1. I liked it better than G-1 on the backhand. 45 degrees, Great grip, spin, feeling and control; almost zero catapult, so short game is easy. G1 has all the same properties, but C1 had better feeling and control for me on the backhand probably due to the slightly softer sponge.  

Thanks waingro for that suggestion.
This is also an interesting option.
Unfortunately, I've never had the chance to play Fastarc C-1, neither against anyone who has this rubber.
I did not consider C-1, because according to the opinions available on the web, it is rated much worse than G-1 in terms of spin.
Please tell me what thickness of sponge you played [G-1 and C-1] and what is your opinion about the differences in genereted rotation between these two rubbers.


Edited by zgredek_AB - 02/03/2023 at 5:24am
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G1 is usually recommended for forehand. It feels harder than T05.

Yasaka Rakza 7/7 soft might be a better option, or Joola MaXXX-p/500
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FastArc C-1 is an excellent BH rubber for me. If I'm not mistaken (I might be wrong), G-1 and C-1 have the same topsheet, but G-1 has a harder sponge. So, the spin on touch shots should be the same and you would see a difference in spin the more you dig into the sponge further away from the table.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

G1 is usually recommended for forehand. It feels harder than T05.

Yasaka Rakza 7/7 soft might be a better option, or Joola MaXXX-p/500

I played Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft on BH for a few months. It's a nice rubber, in my opinion very similar to the Andro Hexer Grip SFX I'm currently using.
But I'm looking for something a bit different.
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Originally posted by LOG1C1AN LOG1C1AN wrote:

FastArc C-1 is an excellent BH rubber for me. If I'm not mistaken (I might be wrong), G-1 and C-1 have the same topsheet, but G-1 has a harder sponge. So, the spin on touch shots should be the same and you would see a difference in spin the more you dig into the sponge further away from the table.

LOG1C1AN, waingro - thanks for your tips.
It seems that after all, Nittaku Fastarc C-1 will be the best option for BH for me :)

For this rubber, I can choose one of three sponge thicknesses: 1.4 mm, 1.8 mm or 2.0 mm.
What do you think - what thickness will give me maximum control without losing too much spin?
1.8 mm?
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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

Originally posted by LOG1C1AN LOG1C1AN wrote:

FastArc C-1 is an excellent BH rubber for me. If I'm not mistaken (I might be wrong), G-1 and C-1 have the same topsheet, but G-1 has a harder sponge. So, the spin on touch shots should be the same and you would see a difference in spin the more you dig into the sponge further away from the table.

LOG1C1AN, waingro - thanks for your tips.
It seems that after all, Nittaku Fastarc C-1 will be the best option for BH for me :)

For this rubber, I can choose one of three sponge thicknesses: 1.4 mm, 1.8 mm or 2.0 mm.
What do you think - what thickness will give me maximum control without losing too much spin?
1.8 mm?
2.0mm already has super control in my opinion, but that's up to you. 1.8mm would work too.  

G1 and C1 have exact same topsheet. I used G1 and C1 2.0. Almost no difference in spin. G1 has more power in counter-topspin away from the table; that's the main difference. Black color has more grip, so I recommend that on BH. 

Check out this Japanese player that uses G1 forehand C1 backhand:


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Thank you all for the tips.
Decision made - I will buy Nittaku Fastarc C-1 with a sponge 2.0 or 1.8 mm.

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Originally posted by zgredek_AB zgredek_AB wrote:

Thank you all for the tips.
Decision made - I will buy Nittaku Fastarc C-1 with a sponge 2.0 or 1.8 mm.

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