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Why Mark V is still so popular ? |
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Stavros
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Posted: 10/12/2018 at 4:05am |
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Mark V is an old era rubber, made for VOC speed glue.
Surprisingly , on revspin.net it is still the 2nd most popular rubber , after tenergy 05. How does Mark V perform using water glue ?
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vvk1
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Like in the hands of the chap with the knee brace:
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debraj
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its not popular in world.
But why its popular in that site .... well it could be that they are lying with huge stock and want someone like you to buy it. ;-) its their own site... not Gallup poll... and they may not sell much |
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Mark V predates speed gluing. |
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Stavros
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https://revspin.net/database/popular-rubber.html is a database containing the current equipment used by people. It's not an e-shop.
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As other people have suggested, Revspin has no expiration date for each submission, and thus it is only natural for older rubbers to be more popular.
Mark V was generally recommended as the "beginner rubber" ten years ago, and thus many people who have just started table tennis who look up "best beginner rubber" will find it and get it on their first blades. Revspin reviews are also more biased towards being written by "beginner EJs", as veteran EJs write reviews on mytt/ttd, not revspin. Apart from that, it's a well-known rubber. Might not be the best for the price, but it's not as risky as purchasing a newer rubber with no review.
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zeio
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Because of this. Speak of the devil. Mark V just made it to No.3 in the latest Table Tennis Kingdom Sales Ranking.
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Pr1nc
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Mark V with booster is great for advanced level, Mark V with water based glue is good for begginer level. Mark V - legendary rubber for allround players.
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trumpet_guy
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Well, I got it because Paddle Palace sold it glued on a Ma Lin Extra Offensive, and it doesn't play too badly. I have recently moved on to a different combo, but it is really not bad at all.
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pingpungpeng
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because rubber performance has not changed so much.
it's all just marketing from companies saying there is a new incredible rubber every 6 months. who would have thought!?!?!?!??!?!?!? the same goes for blades. a new blade comes out every other month.... and what are the top players using? viscaria, a blade created 20 years ago. random dude: "hell no!!! mark v rubbers were made to speed glue!!! the NEW rubbers don't need this." wrong. in the past pros used speed glue. now they use booster which is the same thing. conclusion. a tenergy 05 is not that different from a mark v. a bluefire is not that different from a mark v.
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I am waiting for someone to say the reason of the continued popularity of Mark V is that die hard anti-millennial pundit folks are vocal like a hornets nest about it...
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The fact remains the top sheet of Mark V is very consistent sheet to sheet. Yes it was best in the speed glued era however get a max thickness sheet, glue it 3-4 times with the latex based glue and it's performance for beginners to intermediate level players is nothing to sneeze at. I have played with a bazillion rubbers and still use max on my BH. It's not the fastest or spiniest but you get exactly what you put into the stroke. I still see way to many developing players trying to play with equipment that they are not ready for. With the proper strokes a player can still loop the hell out of the ball, counter with nice speed, receive service with control, and play a game with variation. If you are above 2000 level Mark V may fall a bit short but for the vast majority of us Mark V is perfectly fine even if it's a non-tensor. You know your not going to the Olympics peeps so play with something you can feel comfortable with according to your style of play and level. Classic rubbers still are viable in this new era of the sport....ribbit.
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Baal
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Mark V actually predates speed glue. It wasn't designed for speed glue but it works well with it. I haven't seen anyone here using it in years.
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vanjr
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I assume it is the 1/EJ crowd that like it.
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obesechopper
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Where exactly is this rubber still popular? I've never seen anyone using it in person... smaller sample size, but fairly telling! Say 100+ tournament players, and not one had it on! And some were still using friendship 802 pips or hurricane 3s
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Mark V M2 was brilliant with speed glue, similar to Bryce.
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Simas
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Yes, I've never seen Mark V in tournaments either and I doubt I will. These aren't simply used for tournament level play. Maybe they are popular at schools TT clubs and kids who are starting their training are using as coaches are recommending them en masse as an inexpensive but of good quality rubber to start? P.S. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I used mark V and was pretty happy with it
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I see Mark V at many tournaments I play in. I play MXP and Mark V...works great for me. "Hands Like A Laser...Legs Like A Sloth". :) |
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SteveWAD
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Interesting post..once upon a time I used Mark V MAX all the time and had great success with it, I think Stellan Bengsston also used it for professional matches, back in the 70's & 80's . Recently I have been considering dumping my way overpriced T05 and going back to Mark V boosted both feel very similar, but less impact on the bank account. |
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piligrim
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I was expecting to see: I play MXP and Mark V... and don't feel difference |
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trumpet_guy
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Steve,
I think by "1/Ej" crowd he means the inverse of Equipment Junkie. Those who are are very much NOT equipment freaks. --Tim |
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henningf
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Mark V is a good beginner rubber, with enough speed and spin for beginners. It’s one of the rubbers I can recommend (allthough I usually recommend even cheaper chineese setups for beginners) remember, not everyone has the money to change equipment on a whim. If mark v works (and it’s cheap) a lot of people will stick with it.
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mykonos96
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Recomend me other beginner(kids) rubber with more durability. People say that mark v is chipping at the edges no matter how careful you are |
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slevin
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Question: these rubbers like Mark V M2 or Sriver that were great with speed glue - why are they relatively unoptimal with boosters? |
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vvk1
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That has not been my experience. The chap from the video at the top of this thread tends to change his rubbers once a year and his Mark V's always look in better shape than similarly used Tenergies of his teammates/opponents.
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mykonos96
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Dont know but I have like 5 used mark v sheets semi worn that are chipped in the edge and most players said its normal |
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henningf
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If I skip the edge tape, I usually get chipping on must rubbers (except some of the chineese rubbers, like H3)
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Because boosters and speed glue don't work the same way. They are seeking to produce a similar effect. Speed glue effect is much greater and requires that the solvent slowly vaporizes into the pores in the sponge. That is easily detected by machines now. The effect is short lived. Boosters are always somewhat oily, and can't be very volatile. And they can last for weeks rather than hours. So rubber a optimized for one won't always respond well to the other. In general it isxeasiervto develop effective speed glue than an effective booster. Some of the best is vulcanizing compounds used for tire repair. You can find them in auto repair stores or online. |
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mykonos96
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Maybe you re using the wrong booster |
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piligrim
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is Mark V HPS doesn't solve the problem? Its same Mark V but doesn't need speed glue
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