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No rest for the weary.  I don't know how they are doing these draws, but they've scheduled a 1st round match up between Hayata and Sawettabut.  That's a really tough 1st round matchup for both of them.  
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

No rest for the weary.  I don't know how they are doing these draws, but they've scheduled a 1st round match up between Hayata and Sawettabut.  That's a really tough 1st round matchup for both of them.  

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When initial entry list is opened, there are one top CNT player and some lower ranked CNT players, but they are all canceled later. I didn't see any description about this on any media.

Does someone know the reason for this action? 
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Strange draw with two first round matches in the men's event having an as yet unqualified qualifier facing another qualifier whilst Darko Jorgic gets rewarded for being NR 10 in the world with playing NR 20, his club mate Franziska.
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Also Calderano faces club mate Gauzy in their first round match.
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Originally posted by Kappa Kappa wrote:

When initial entry list is opened, there are one top CNT player and some lower ranked CNT players, but they are all canceled later. I didn't see any description about this on any media.

Does someone know the reason for this action? 
I think they just decided to remove their participation for reasons best known to them, most likely finances.

Don't think about it too much.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Strange draw with two first round matches in the men's event having an as yet unqualified qualifier facing another qualifier whilst Darko Jorgic gets rewarded for being NR 10 in the world with playing NR 20, his club mate Franziska.

Again, in a draw of 32 they only seed 8 players, the rest is random. Nothing "strange" about it. 

And national or club affiliations are not taken into account, obviously.

Edit: Boll's late withdrawal may have led to the qualifier vs qualifier situation. It seems Rassenfosse ended up taking Boll's spot, and Gnanasekaran got in as a lucky loser.


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This has one of the best non-CNT European draws in a while.  This is going to be a great tournament to follow and a huge step for anyone who wins it.
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Hayata vs the following in a 12 month cycle

2022-11  2:4  Batra

2023-03 1:3 CIC

2023-03  2:3  Sawettabutt

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2023-09  3:1  Batra

2023-09  4:2  CIC

2023-10  3:0  Sawettbutt

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Originally posted by Tempest/Comet Tempest/Comet wrote:

Hayata vs the following in a 12 month cycle

2022-11  2:4  Batra

2023-03 1:3 CIC

2023-03  2:3  Sawettabutt

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2023-09  3:1  Batra

2023-09  4:2  CIC

2023-10  3:0  Sawettbutt


Hayata really looked in top form against the Thai, especially in that second game. Couldn't get a ball past her. She made some incredible shots.
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Yeah…e.g. - game 2 at 3:1, going from left wide to right wide, and won the point…
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Hayata gets revenge for her loss to Sawettabut at the Singapore Smash.  Hayata is showing no ill effects from all the consecutive tournament travel (Asian Champs, Asian Games Silver medal, Contender Muscat Champion).  I hope she can keep it up.  After this tournament, she gets 1 week break before WTT Champions Frankfurt.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Hayata gets revenge for her loss to Sawettabut at the Singapore Smash.  Hayata is showing no ill effects from all the consecutive tournament travel (Asian Champs, Asian Games Silver medal, Contender Muscat Champion).  I hope she can keep it up.  After this tournament, she gets 1 week break before WTT Champions Frankfurt.
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Shout out to the Romanian women for exceptional play.

Adina Diaconu 3-1 Hana Goda
Elizabeta Samara 3-1 Suh Hyo Won
Andreea Dragoman 3-2 Shan Xiaona

[Edit] Unfortunately, Bernie lost to an on fire Li Yu-Jhun.


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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Shout out to the Romanian women for exceptional play.

Adina Diaconu 3-1 Hana Goda
Elizabeta Samara 3-1 Suh Hyo Won
Andreea Dragoman 3-2 Shan Xiaona

[Edit] Unfortunately, Bernie lost to an on fire Li Yu-Jhun.

Li Yu Jhun has a few Romanians in her draw so there is a lot of opportunity for revenge lol.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Strange draw with two first round matches in the men's event having an as yet unqualified qualifier facing another qualifier whilst Darko Jorgic gets rewarded for being NR 10 in the world with playing NR 20, his club mate Franziska.

Again, in a draw of 32 they only seed 8 players, the rest is random. Nothing "strange" about it. 

And national or club affiliations are not taken into account, obviously.

Edit: Boll's late withdrawal may have led to the qualifier vs qualifier situation. It seems Rassenfosse ended up taking Boll's spot, and Gnanasekaran got in as a lucky loser.

'Strange' might have been the wrong word and I do realize that with seedings as they are this sort of thing is possible. Still, I would argue that it would have made much more sense to manipulate the rules of the draw so that Franz and Darko could have had a qualifier each rather than having flown to Turkey just to have a best of five with their climate in the first round. 
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Strange draw with two first round matches in the men's event having an as yet unqualified qualifier facing another qualifier whilst Darko Jorgic gets rewarded for being NR 10 in the world with playing NR 20, his club mate Franziska.

Again, in a draw of 32 they only seed 8 players, the rest is random. Nothing "strange" about it. 

And national or club affiliations are not taken into account, obviously.

Edit: Boll's late withdrawal may have led to the qualifier vs qualifier situation. It seems Rassenfosse ended up taking Boll's spot, and Gnanasekaran got in as a lucky loser.

'Strange' might have been the wrong word and I do realize that with seedings as they are this sort of thing is possible. Still, I would argue that it would have made much more sense to manipulate the rules of the draw so that Franz and Darko could have had a qualifier each rather than having flown to Turkey just to have a best of five with their climate in the first round. 

When fewer players are seeded, these issues are inevitable.  If they had seeded 16 players, then maybe it would have been better.  But maybe not as exciting.  This is a loaded tournament so that is part of it.
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It was hot for M Harimoto.....Vs a relatively "weak" opponent.

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Whew! Miwa just gets by Balazova.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Shout out to the Romanian women for exceptional play.

Adina Diaconu 3-1 Hana Goda
Elizabeta Samara 3-1 Suh Hyo Won
Andreea Dragoman 3-2 Shan Xiaona

[Edit] Unfortunately, Bernie lost to an on fire Li Yu-Jhun.

Li Yu Jhun has a few Romanians in her draw so there is a lot of opportunity for revenge lol.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

It was hot for M Harimoto.....Vs a relatively "weak" opponent.
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Shao Jieni is not a bad player at all. So for her to lose at 3,4,6 to Hayata speaks volumes about how much better Hayata has gotten.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Shao Jieni is not a bad player at all. So for her to lose at 3,4,6 to Hayata speaks volumes about how much better Hayata has gotten.

Watching game 5 of the Nagasaki-Hayata match in Muscat, I think the match trigger a stress response in Hayata that led to a surge in form that seems to not have abated.  It will be interesting to see how long it lasts.  But something in that game is what I would attribute the current sustained excellence to.  Watching it in real time, I was like "where has this level of play been?  It took the fear of losing to Nagasaki to bring it out?"
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Shao Jieni is not a bad player at all. So for her to lose at 3,4,6 to Hayata speaks volumes about how much better Hayata has gotten.

Watching game 5 of the Nagasaki-Hayata match in Muscat, I think the match trigger a stress response in Hayata that led to a surge in form that seems to not have abated.  It will be interesting to see how long it lasts.  But something in that game is what I would attribute the current sustained excellence to.  Watching it in real time, I was like "where has this level of play been?  It took the fear of losing to Nagasaki to bring it out?"

That Nagasaki-Hayata match in Muscat was insanely high level play.  Nagasaki was playing great.  And she didn't really crack, Hayata just pulled out another level in that fifth game.  I guess once she knows she can do it, she can do it.  Should buy Nagasaki flowers.
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An amazing comeback from Andreea Dragoman over JJH.  Three Romanian women in the quarterfinals, and surprisingly, Bernie Szocs is not one of them.
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