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Ishikawa and Hirano have to go imo. Ito, Hayata, Kihara, Nagasaki, Harimoto.
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Exactly  Lixiao.
The Japanese new generation like the Miyus, Hayata, Miwa are just better. 
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Summed up in one line by a Tieba user.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7961038310?pn=4
Quote 对面长崎拉胯，这边蒯曼拉胯，中途美和掉线，多亏瑞姐，总结完毕

Nagasaki faltered on that side, KM faltered on this side, Harimoto offline midway, all thanks to ZR, end of summary.
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Ishikawa and Hirano have to go imo. Ito, Hayata, Kihara, Nagasaki, Harimoto.

Kasumi and Hirano have had their chances and failed to beat the Chinese in the Olympics and WTTC, it's time to give some one else a go.

Ito, Hayata, kihara, Nagasaki and Harimoto should be the core of the Japanese team in the next few years. 
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Ishikawa and Hirano have to go imo. Ito, Hayata, Kihara, Nagasaki, Harimoto.

Kasumi and Hirano have had their chances and failed to beat the Chinese in the Olympics and WTTC, it's time to give some one else a go.

Ito, Hayata, kihara, Nagasaki and Harimoto should be the core of the Japanese team in the next few years. 
Ito, Hayata, and Kihara have separated themselves as top 3 at this point.  But I have Hirano at #4 because she made the finals at one of the Contenders losing only to Ito, and then went onto win a Feeder.  She also beat Hayata in a very close best of 5 at one of the WTT tournaments as well.  And she easily beat Kihara at I think the Asian Games Trials (?).  Harimoto at #5.  Either Ishikawa or Nagasaki could be #6, but if Nagasaki wins later today against Zhang Rui she'll take the lead. 

The biggest head scratcher for me is Hitomi Sato.  She's a very nice person so this is not personal, but somehow she's on the National Team when Miwa Harimoto is not?????   I think JTTA holds onto the past a bit too much.


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[/QUOTE]"Kasumi and Hirano have had their chances and failed to beat the Chinese in the Olympics and WTTC, it's time to give some one else a go"

not debating who is better but the logic in your stmt is deeply flawed  and if I have to explain it to you.......
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Ishikawa and Hirano have to go imo. Ito, Hayata, Kihara, Nagasaki, Harimoto.

Only Ishikawa has to go.

Hirano has actually done the best in the Paris 2024 cycle(8/2021-), especially 3-2 -> 3-4 CM at WTTC 2021, losing only to CNT players(with wins) and her teammates. 2nd is Hayata. 3rd is Kihara but has not met her teammates has only met her teammate once, 3-2 Kato at WTT CT Doha 2022.

Ito(to Yuan Jia Nan in 2022), Ishikawa(to CSY in 2022), Nagasaki(to Mittelham and CSY in 2022, Kamath in 2021) and Harimoto(let's give her a pass) have lost to non-CNT player(s) in this cycle.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1126440&title=2022-t-league-individual-tournament-8-1314#1126440
Quote That should raise some flags, but sadly no. Folks still stuck to their misguided feelings and false impressions that Ishikawa was immensely better than Hirano in H2H against foregin players.


Edited by zeio - 08/09/2022 at 4:04pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Ishikawa and Hirano have to go imo. Ito, Hayata, Kihara, Nagasaki, Harimoto.

Only Ishikawa has to go.

Hirano has actually done the best in the Paris 2024 cycle(8/2021-), especially 3-2 -> 3-4 CM at WTTC 2021, losing only to CNT players(with wins) and her teammates. 2nd is Hayata. 3rd is Kihara but has not met her teammates.

Ito(to Yuan Jia Nan in 2022), Ishikawa(to CSY in 2022), Nagasaki(to Mittelham and CSY in 2022, Kamath in 2021) and Harimoto(let's give her a pass) have lost to non-CNT player(s) in this cycle.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1126440&title=2022-t-league-individual-tournament-8-1314#1126440
Quote That should raise some flags, but sadly no. Folks still stuck to their misguided feelings and false impressions that Ishikawa was immensely better than Hirano in H2H against foregin players.

Well, it appears Ishikawa has already "go" since she is not selected for the team world championships so....she can retire, marry and have a baby...so the subjest Ishikawa is closed for Paris 2024....Sato is in the team for the team WTTC with Kihara, Nagasaki, Ito and Hayata.....2024 will be too soon for Harimoto IMO unless she does better than Ito Mima did when she was 14-15 years old. A pity Hirano won't play the team event of the WTTC
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Hirano and Harimoto still have real roles to play.  Nagasaki has work to do.  And Ito might not survive in the long run.
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If you ask me, Ito is the one that's the most disappointing, other than Ishikawa.

At the WTT Champions, even Yan An commented that Hayata played much better without being held back by Ito in WD.

Hayata and now Harimoto are the 2 most valuable JNT players, who can play in WS/WD/XD w/ various partners. Ito's value has greatly diminished in this cycle, and at this point, she is just hoarding up Hayata and Uda. Hayata has won titles w/ Hirano/Miwa's brother/Togami.

Edited by zeio - 08/05/2022 at 4:45pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

If you ask me, Ito is the one that's the most disappointing, other than Ishikawa.

At the WTT Champions, even Yan An commented that Hayata played much better without being held back by Ito in WD.

Hayata and now Harimoto are the 2 most valuable JNT players, who can play in WS/WD/XD w/ various partners. Ito's value has greatly diminished in this cycle, and at this point, she is just hoarding up Hayata and Uda. Hayata has won titles w/ Hirano/Miwa's brother/Togami.

I think the JNT will make a tournament selection for Paris 2024 so if it is true,  this won't be the ittf ranking which will decide the 2 OG selected players. 


Edited by kakapo - 08/05/2022 at 1:25pm
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You're telling me! Check out the OP of this thread.

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

If you ask me, Ito is the one that's the most disappointing, other than Ishikawa.

At the WTT Champions, even Yan An commented that Hayata played much better without being held back by Ito in WD.

Hayata and now Harimoto are the 2 most valuable JNT players, who can play in WS/WD/XD w/ various partners. Ito's value has greatly diminished in this cycle, and at this point, she is just hoarding up Hayata and Uda. Hayata has won titles w/ Hirano/Miwa's brother/Togami.


I think the JNT will make a tournament selection for Paris 2024 so if it is true,  this won't be the ittf ranking which will decide the 2 OG selected players. 
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Nagasaki blowing the early lead again.
Early lead again in G2 for Nagasaki but different outcome.

It's irritating to see Nagasaki play like that knowing skills have nothing to do with it. Same problem as with her match against Mittelham.

Edited by zeio - 08/05/2022 at 2:15pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Thanks Zeio !
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Oh well, 140 points for making the SF.
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Rui Zhang: i stayed calm and just sent the ball back on the table, my opponent did the rest...
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I know why the Lebrun brothers have such a speedy rythm....
They both wear glasses.....they want to win before the first sweat drop falls on their glasses.
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Miwa's brother: That makes me feel not as bad now.


Is Lebrun's quick-serving disrespectful to the opponent?


Lebrun: No!



Edited by zeio - 08/05/2022 at 3:16pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Ok Miwa, you're up.  Let's go!
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Harimoto's BH after the serve is loaded with so much spin. Even Miwa's brother at 14 years old didn't have that.

Perfect Harimoto = Imagine the BH of Tomokazu with the FH of Miwa...

Edited by zeio - 08/05/2022 at 3:41pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Miwa is hitting CSY's crossover point over and over!
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Miwa desperately wants another rematch with Zhang Rui.  This time for the title.
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That slip over the WTT label seems to hurt her ankle a little.
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Whoa that was weird.  CSY up 10-9 she strikes a ball and hits either edge or side near head umpire.  Head umpire signals CSY point then reverses his decision.
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Was it in or out at 10:9 in G5?

Either way, if CSY in that form still lost like that, then imagine how Ishikawa would've fared.

Edited by zeio - 08/05/2022 at 4:06pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Calderano with the persistent cough and sniffles doesn't seem to be affecting his play.
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A huge thanks to Calderano for the straight games win so I don't have to wait any longer for the XD final.
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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FH of Miwa's brother is making me speechless...
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
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