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LJK’s powerful backhand shots were pretty hard to return. Both HT and LSD returned to the net many times.
LJK is probably the only one using hard 42 degree h3 on backhand
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio
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All 4 rounds won in straight games.
  https://www.worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?subEvt=WDOUBLES&selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2696     Edited by zeio - 03/05/2023 at 8:31am |
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pongfugrasshopper
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Why the hate for CIC? No one's saying she's at the level of the top Chinese, or that she'll medal at the World Championships. But she's obviously worked on her game to beat both Hayata and Hirano in the same tournament. She's also has had recent wins over Kuai Man, Shin Yubin, and Doo Hoi Kem. She deserves better than a ranking in the thirties. She'll be ranked in the twenties after this tournament, but I think she can reach the teens.
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You're asking the wrong person here.
https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92273&PID=1133969&title=wtt-champions-macao-2022-10-1923#1133969 Most of you aren't aware of this but CTTTA was in hot water over favoritism allegations just a month ago. WTT大滿貫參賽名額掀桌�£�風暴 問題何在 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1676623730.A.199.html 未入選今年桌球國手卻參賽惹議 體育署再發聲明 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1676555370.A.038.html 2023年度選拔賽落幕 桌球國手全出爐 https://today.line.me/tw/v2/article/NvjLOwG Edited by zeio - 03/05/2023 at 9:53am |
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Amazing dance from LSD against LJK. Experience and a cool head prevailed against the raw power and talent.
This is the best I have seen LJK play in WTT since 2020 olympic warm up.
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I never thought somebody could make felix look so powerless and amateurish.
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DHK won the last match with a golfer's elbow, ironically, at the Asian Cup 2022, which took place at the end of the year. This goes back to my previous post about CIC's poor luck. She loses more when it counts, just like Ishikawa who loses to FTW more in WS than WT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBmezRI5LKA 
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pongfugrasshopper
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I'm referring to CIC's win over DHK at WTT Champions Macao in October 2022. But I'm not even suggesting CIC is better than DHK or the others I mentioned. My premise is that CIC is a better player than her current ranking would suggest. The comeback is real, and I commend her for that.
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LSD was in such a zone that there really wasn't anything anyone could have done about it. Actually, Felix along with LSD, Miwa, and CIC are in my mind the standouts of the tournament. Felix took out Lee Sangsu (WR#26), Jang Woojin (WR#18), and Truls Moregard (WR#5). Maybe we've been spoiled by Tomo, LYJ, WCQ, LSD, but I think that's an amazing run for a 16 year old.
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Really no point to argue about this. There are many people that do not like Ma Long and think Ma Long does not play good. One simple truth is CIC is the vice-champion for this event. And beating Hayata and Hirano is not easy, especially Hirano, who played very well for the tournament.
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I get what you mean. Neither am I hating CIC here. See what I wrote about them during WTTC 2021. What I'm getting at is that it's easy to get carried away. The goals for the year are WTTC 2023 and ATTC 2023/Asian Games 2022, hence my previous post about some of them keeping something up their sleeves. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90856&PID=1120422&title=2021-wttc-houston-usa-nov-2329#1120422
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zeio
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yeah that commentator was really annoying. Good help is hard to find, especially by WTT. Whatever he said could have easily been misinterpreted . I enjoyed watching LSD in this tournament but obviously either his performance here is not representative of his normal level or something is still lacking in his game. One could have easily took what he said and think he meant the greatest ever ( period) in his 13 years of watching TT.
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The commentary was hilarious. At one point two of them got into a disagreement about if you can put a chip in the bat to record feedback and give the coaches a new tool. the they disagreed if this would make the sport lack humanity. like a full 2 mins or so of no commentary, and this was in the middle of a set.
Another brilliant stand out was "They are not machines they are humans, and another amazing (cant mremeber this bit) by the chinese machines"
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I would add CDS to this list.
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It does make one wonder since when has defeating FZD been reduced to a simple feat? I guess folks really go by impression instead of stats. Look up FZD's and LSD stats, for once.
【统计】巴黎周期国乒主力层输过的单打对手 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8171613177?pn=2 Edited by zeio - 03/05/2023 at 2:56pm |
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Ah yes... how could I forget FZD's ouster. I'm sure FZD fans were disappointed, but it's probably a good thing he lost early. It gives him time to rest after the Chinese WTTC trials and before the Singapore Smash where he can collect big ranking points and money.
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Yep - he no longer is playing bang bang bang table tennis but gave huge amounts of spin, trajectory, pace and placement variation now, which I think all the hot headed youngsters like LSD and Harimoto dislike very much.... Btw, LOL at Lin Shidong's abbreviation LSD hahahaha
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I am sorry for not following this topic thoroughly, but are there any reasons why Ma Long did not participate in this event?
It is similar to the last World Championship where FZD won the title in the absence of Ma Long. Only this time FZD failed to do so.
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Ma Long and some of his compatriots withdrew due to Covid and injuries after the Chinese WTTC Trials: |
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I wouldn't characterize being happy for someone who is coming back into her previous form as getting carried away. I also don't think it's necessary to confine your goals to the WTTC or ATTC. Only a very select few are going to medal there. You can have mini victories along the way.. the journey being as important if not more important than the destination. In any case, this was a great tournament for her making the finals.
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2023 win rate, ~66.7%
  Always keep the following in mind. This is a competitive sport. When you under-perform for over a year while being exempt from national team selection merely because you're still one of the 2 highest ranked players, you're taking up a precious spot that could've been better used by others. Would you say the same thing about Ishikawa now that Harimoto's progress is getting impeded? Edited by zeio - 03/06/2023 at 11:39am |
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I can't blame Ishikawa for Harimoto not being in the Singapore Smash. I put the blame on the WTT for the silly NER for their top tier tournament. Ishikawa is on her last legs as a pro internationally. She won't be at the World Championships so she won't get any Paris points from that. Miwa, unfortunately, did not progress fast enough to make the cut-off for the World Championships. Rightly or wrongly, the JTTA has decided on the selection system and everyone has to abide by it. Although highly unlikely, Miwa technically has a chance to make Paris if she can play a level above all of the other women in Japan for all of the Paris tournaments. I'm not going to count her out until it's mathematically impossible for her to make it. [Edit] Looking at who she won/lost to, would any of CIC's teammates have done any better than she did?
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Seriously, if Miwa Harimoto does not complain, why should you?
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Look yourself in the mirror first. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92275&PID=1138650&title=singapore-smash-2023-3-719#1138650 |
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The more proper question would be "would CIC have done any better than CSY did if CIC faced the same opponents over the past few months, say, Nagasaki, Batra and Harimoto?" |
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Why not? Hayata and Hirano are now chopped liver? She also had a minimum margin loss to Ito and beat Kuai Man 3‐0.
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Yeah, until that happens. It's convenient to forget their last proper encounter in 8/2022 just like her last loss against DHK in 11/2022.
She had to withdraw from Asian Continental Stage.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAj66FSVuGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0x-mQzVC_E Edited by zeio - 03/07/2023 at 12:33am |
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