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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Yeah, until that happens. It's convenient to forget their last proper encounter in 8/2022 just like her last loss against DHK in 11/2022.

She had to withdraw from Asian Continental Stage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAj66FSVuGQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0x-mQzVC_E
CIC losing to Nagasaki at Contender Tunis doesn't take away from the fact that she's recently beaten all of the players previously mentioned.  

I'm not sure what message you're trying to convey posting the video of CSY losing to Harimoto.  Also, if the argument is that CIC is taking away a precious spot because she's one of the two highest ranked players in Taiwan, then shouldn't you be comparing her record against those in Taiwan lower than both her and CSY (the 2 highest ranked players)?  I doubt they can beat Hayata, Hirano, DHK, SYB, KM.


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Here is the deal. You're cherrypicking her victories while ignoring her defeats. That's exactly like the folks who get stoked about how LSD's wins are so impressive while conveniently overlooking his losses/close matches just weeks ago or even in the same tournament. Same deal for WCQ late last year.

To supplement my previous post:

Ishikawa 1-3 CSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjamAy4zhU

Ishikawa 3-2 CIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPOrV7FE9o

Kuai Man 2-3 Chien Tung-Chuan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M7zp4iFK70


De Nutte 1-3 Chien Tung-Chuan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRoch1wyKCI


Chien Tung-Chuan 1-3 QTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FKzR-C_G_0

De Nutte 3-0 CIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTcE_iz4S_g


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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Here is the deal. You're cherrypicking her victories while ignoring her defeats. That's exactly like the folks who get stoked about how LSD's wins are so impressive while conveniently overlooking his losses/close matches just weeks ago or even in the same tournament. Same deal for WCQ late last year.

To supplement my previous post:

Ishikawa 1-3 CSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjamAy4zhU

Ishikawa 3-2 CIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPOrV7FE9o

Kuai Man 2-3 Chien Tung-Chuan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M7zp4iFK70


De Nutte 1-3 Chien Tung-Chuan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRoch1wyKCI


Chien Tung-Chuan 1-3 QTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FKzR-C_G_0

De Nutte 3-0 CIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTcE_iz4S_g
I have no problem with her defeats.  Nagasaki and Ishikawa are members of the JNT.  I don't consider those bad losses.  And I see you've cherrypicked her worst loss within the past year, Sarah De Nutte. Fine, but that still doesn't take away from her recent successes which far outweigh her losses.  Hard not to notice her turnaround starting around December.
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Oh, please. Look what you told me.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Also, if the argument is that CIC is taking away a precious spot because she's one of the two highest ranked players in Taiwan, then shouldn't you be comparing her record against those in Taiwan lower than both her and CSY (the 2 highest ranked players)? I doubt they can beat Hayata, Hirano, DHK, SYB, KM.


Chien Tung-Chuan beat KM like CIC did and beat De Nutte that CIC lost to in their LAST ENCOUNTER. What now?

The CIC right now is just like the Hayata a few months back. Hayata was supposed to be part of the spotlight of this tournament given her recent form. What happened? I'm still waiting for an excuse from Hayata here. See how Tieba users react to Hayata 1-3 CIC.

Once again.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92138&PID=1130638&title=european-championships-2022-8-1321#1130638
Quote LGL: The players I select are often not based on their upper limit. The upper limit is when they perform the best. I look for their lower limit. Anyone can win when you are at your best, right? It is your lower limit, when you are in a bad state, when your mental state is not good, is there a "bottom line" for your lower limit?
Host: Can also win at the lower limit
LGL: Yes, your lower limit...At my worst, I can also play at 70%. Then, I will weigh whether your 70% can compete with the opponents. You can win when above 90% or 100%, then, is 70% feasible, and for some if 70% is not guaranteed, 50%, 40%, then your...This is a fundamental thing


Edited by zeio - 03/07/2023 at 1:58pm
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Oh, please. Look what you told me.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Also, if the argument is that CIC is taking away a precious spot because she's one of the two highest ranked players in Taiwan, then shouldn't you be comparing her record against those in Taiwan lower than both her and CSY (the 2 highest ranked players)? I doubt they can beat Hayata, Hirano, DHK, SYB, KM.


Chien Tung-Chuan beat KM like CIC did and beat De Nutte that CIC lost to in their LAST ENCOUNTER. What now?

The CIC right now is just like the Hayata a few months back. Hayata was supposed to be part of the spotlight of this tournament given her recent form. What happened? I'm still waiting for an excuse from Hayata here. See how Tieba users react to Hayata 1-3 CIC.

Once again.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92138&PID=1130638&title=european-championships-2022-8-1321#1130638
Quote LGL: The players I select are often not based on their upper limit. The upper limit is when they perform the best. I look for their lower limit. Anyone can win when you are at your best, right? It is your lower limit, when you are in a bad state, when your mental state is not good, is there a "bottom line" for your lower limit?
Host: Can also win at the lower limit
LGL: Yes, your lower limit...At my worst, I can also play at 70%. Then, I will weigh whether your 70% can compete with the opponents. You can win when above 90% or 100%, then, is 70% feasible, and for some if 70% is not guaranteed, 50%, 40%, then your...This is a fundamental thing
That's one player (Sarah DeNutte) you've cherrypicked.  Chien Tung-Chuan doesn't have much in terms of international play so there's not much to go on, but as you noted her best win was Kuai Man.  She's also had a loss to Orawan Paranang.  So that's really not comparable to the wins/losses CIC has had.  You're really going to base everything on one loss to Sarah DeNutte last February [Edit: Feb 2022]?


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Also, at the end of a day, there is no best win or worst loss. They are all stats.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/stats
Quote Stats are facts which are obtained from analysing information expressed in numbers.


That's why folks should see if their impressions align with the stats.   CCY learned it the hard way.

CCY: ZJK Could Be "Dead" Before I Run into Him
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/ccy-zjk-could-be-dead-before-i-run-into-him_topic76395.html

Edited by zeio - 03/07/2023 at 2:18pm
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

That's one player (Sarah DeNutte) you've cherrypicked.  Chien Tung-Chuan doesn't have much in terms of international play so there's not much to go on, but as you noted her best win was Kuai Man.  She's also had a loss to Orawan Paranang.  So that's really not comparable to the wins/losses CIC has had.  You're really going to base everything on one loss to Sarah DeNutte last February [Edit: Feb 2022]?

Now I could also say that's one or two tournaments you've cherrypicked. Let's not get there. Where were you when CIC was losing left and right? Let me see...

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91465&PID=1124717&title=wtt-singapore-smash-2022-03-0703-20#1124717
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Ishikawa vs CIC
7:2, 8:6, 9:6, 9:7, 10:7, 10:8, 11:8, CIC killed herself on serve
11:8
4:2, TO for CIC, 5;2, 5:11
1:4, 2:4, 2:5, 3:5, 3:6, 5:6, 5:7, 5:8, 6:8, 6:9, 6:10, 8:10, 8:11
3:0, 3:1, 11:1

CIC played like *bleep* in G1, G2 and G5. Ishikawa played like *bleep* in G3 and G4. How did these 2 reach the R16?

Ishikawa had a super easy draw. CIC eked out a multiple deuces in the 5th in opening round with Kato. Sometimes it's just a lucky or unlucky draw. Poor CXT got WYD in opening round and got Kuai Manned early at the Muscat Contender. 


Like I mentioned, the goals for this year are WTTC 2023 and ATTC 2023/Asian Games 2022.

CM became a laughing stock in China after saying "my era had come, finally" after winning WS at Tokyo 2020. LGL spared no effort to chew her out. Why? To this date, she is still missing the WTTC to complete her grand slam.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9.23698/post-350084
Quote Liu Guoliang said: "As the reigning women's Olympic champion, Chen Meng should be regarded as a young gun. Participating in the Olympic Games for the first time, she realized her dream. However, to claim you are the leading figure just because you have become the Olympic Champion, then I think you have jumped to conclusions. Think how many World Titles were needed to participate in singles in the previous Olympics, but for this special Olympics, they seized the opportunity. In my opinion, Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha, and Wang Manyu are still neck and neck in level."


Edited by zeio - 03/07/2023 at 2:59pm
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

That's one player (Sarah DeNutte) you've cherrypicked.  Chien Tung-Chuan doesn't have much in terms of international play so there's not much to go on, but as you noted her best win was Kuai Man.  She's also had a loss to Orawan Paranang.  So that's really not comparable to the wins/losses CIC has had.  You're really going to base everything on one loss to Sarah DeNutte last February [Edit: Feb 2022]?

Now I could also say that's one or two tournaments you've cherrypicked. Let's not get there. Where were you when CIC was losing left and right? Let me see...

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91465&PID=1124717&title=wtt-singapore-smash-2022-03-0703-20#1124717
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Ishikawa vs CIC
7:2, 8:6, 9:6, 9:7, 10:7, 10:8, 11:8, CIC killed herself on serve
11:8
4:2, TO for CIC, 5;2, 5:11
1:4, 2:4, 2:5, 3:5, 3:6, 5:6, 5:7, 5:8, 6:8, 6:9, 6:10, 8:10, 8:11
3:0, 3:1, 11:1

CIC played like *bleep* in G1, G2 and G5. Ishikawa played like *bleep* in G3 and G4. How did these 2 reach the R16?

Ishikawa had a super easy draw. CIC eked out a multiple deuces in the 5th in opening round with Kato. Sometimes it's just a lucky or unlucky draw. Poor CXT got WYD in opening round and got Kuai Manned early at the Muscat Contender. 


Like I mentioned, the goals for this year are WTTC 2023 and ATTC 2023/Asian Games 2022.

CM became a laughing stock in China after saying "my era had come, finally" after winning WS at Tokyo 2020. LGL spared no effort to chew her out. Why? To this date, she is still missing the WTTC to complete her grand slam.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9.23698/post-350084
Quote Liu Guoliang said: "As the reigning women's Olympic champion, Chen Meng should be regarded as a young gun. Participating in the Olympic Games for the first time, she realized her dream. However, to claim you are the leading figure just because you have become the Olympic Champion, then I think you have jumped to conclusions. Think how many World Titles were needed to participate in singles in the previous Olympics, but for this special Olympics, they seized the opportunity. In my opinion, Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha, and Wang Manyu are still neck and neck in level."
Like I said, CIC turned it around in December (2022).  I'm not arguing she wasn't playing poorly prior to that.  But I'm commending her for the turnaround.
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Thankfully, I have been to busy to keep up with the discussion but since I am not privy to all the politics, I can only commend CIC for playing well (easily top 20) after a period of obvious stagnation (below top 30, maybe much worse) that followed a period she was an obvious top 10 player in the world.
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The ITTF Week #10 2023 ranking now has Cheng I-Ching at WR#18.  Nice!
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Chien Tung-Chuan doesn't have much in terms of international play so there's not much to go on, but as you noted her best win was Kuai Man. She's also had a loss to Orawan Paranang.

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Let's try a different case. Jang Woojin and An Jaehyun. Do the stats support AJH's WTTC 2019 bronze medal?

The years of most interest are 2018, 2019 and 2022. 2020 and 2021 are outliers due to the pandemic so we'll ignore them.

2018 and 2019 should be self-explanatory. 2022 is of interest here because AJH actually beat QD, despite having his career-worst win rate and had JWJ beaten Duda, Korea would've won 3-0 instead of losing 2-3 and been the team to reach the WTTC final.

2023 win rate
JWJ = 8/10 = 80%, https://i.imgur.com/bZsHzqS.png
AJH = 8/11 = 72.7%, https://i.imgur.com/2ybYAMr.png

Year-by-year
JWJ, https://i.imgur.com/gvC3wzm.png
2013 88%
2018 81%
2010 81%
2022 79%, https://i.imgur.com/VoogQgI.png
2009 74%
2012 73%
2014 72%
2015 69%
2020 67%
2017 67%
2019 58%
2016 58%
2021 47%

AJH, https://i.imgur.com/5TMFqlq.png
2014 82%
2015 79%
2020 75%
2019 72%
2017 71%
2018 70%
2016 69%
2012 68%
2013 55%
2021 50%
2022 48%, https://i.imgur.com/mXJTU5B.png

Below is AJH's interview after losing 1-4 Samsonov at China Open 2019.

赛后|安宰贤:世乒赛后生活没变化,输球因老萨太强大
https://video.zhibo.tv/detail/video/92224.html
@02:28
Last question...Given his result at the WTTC
he'll be studied by many others...Is he prepared? Any plan for the future?

Playing in the China Open this time
I didn't prepare for a specific match
I have a long-term goal...I'll take part in the Opens and the WTTC
The ultimate goal behind all this work is to get a good finish in the WTTC

Thank you

And did I mention QD? 8 months later, how many still feel the same excitement about him?
http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=76840&PID=1128031&title=qiu-dang#1128031

Same for LYJ after Tokyo 2020. Folks were saying how Harimoto had plateaued. Now? Tieba users are contemplating (yet again) that LYJ has fallen behind. I could understand them. How did he lose to the overrated WCT AGAIN at Asian Cup 2022?



Edited by zeio - 03/08/2023 at 10:05am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Chien Tung-Chuan doesn't have much in terms of international play so there's not much to go on, but as you noted her best win was Kuai Man. She's also had a loss to Orawan Paranang.


Good for her!  Whether it's CIC, Chien Tung-Chuan, AJH, or QD, I'm happy to see them succeed for whatever goal and time period they are able to.  Simple as that.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Let's try a different case. Jang Woojin and An Jaehyun. Do the stats support AJH's WTTC 2019 bronze medal?

The years of most interest are 2018, 2019 and 2022. 2020 and 2021 are outliers due to the pandemic so we'll ignore them.

2018 and 2019 should be self-explanatory. 2022 is of interest here because AJH actually beat QD, despite having his career-worst win rate and had JWJ beaten Duda, Korea would've won 3-0 instead of losing 2-3 and been the team to reach the WTTC final.

2023 win rate
JWJ = 8/10 = 80%, https://i.imgur.com/bZsHzqS.png
AJH = 8/11 = 72.7%, https://i.imgur.com/2ybYAMr.png

Year-by-year
JWJ, https://i.imgur.com/gvC3wzm.png
2013 88%
2018 81%
2010 81%
2022 79%, https://i.imgur.com/VoogQgI.png
2009 74%
2012 73%
2014 72%
2015 69%
2020 67%
2017 67%
2019 58%
2016 58%
2021 47%

AJH, https://i.imgur.com/5TMFqlq.png
2014 82%
2015 79%
2020 75%
2019 72%
2017 71%
2018 70%
2016 69%
2012 68%
2013 55%
2021 50%
2022 48%, https://i.imgur.com/mXJTU5B.png

Below is AJH's interview after losing 1-4 Samsonov at China Open 2019.

赛后|安宰贤:世乒赛后生活没变化,输球因老萨太强大
https://video.zhibo.tv/detail/video/92224.html
@02:28
Last question...Given his result at the WTTC
he'll be studied by many others...Is he prepared? Any plan for the future?

Playing in the China Open this time
I didn't prepare for a specific match
I have a long-term goal...I'll take part in the Opens and the WTTC
The ultimate goal behind all this work is to get a good finish in the WTTC

Thank you

And did I mention QD? 8 months later, how many still feel the same excitement about him?
http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=76840&PID=1128031&title=qiu-dang#1128031

Same for LYJ after Tokyo 2020. Folks were saying how Harimoto had plateaued. Now? Tieba users are contemplating (yet again) that LYJ has fallen behind. I could understand them. How did he lose to the overrated WCT AGAIN at Asian Cup 2022?


Looking at Jang Woojin's career resume (WJTTC champ, top player in Korea for a while and successor to Lee SangSu), and given how close the quarterfinal of the WTTC 2019 that An Jaehyun won was going to Deuce in the 7th, 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpDY7CapMI

I have raised the hypothetical that Jang Woojin's career would have made more sense with that WTTC bronze than An JaeHyun's did, primarily out of respect of Jang Woojin's accomplishments and age, and given that someone as young as An usually achieves things later (obviously not always true, as the example of Joo/Bengston etc show).

However, it has now been taken as a question of whether stats support AJH's medal.  Not as a question of whether in the context of things, the best player in Korea in recent years would have been a fitting winner of a bronze medal instead of his younger (and less accomplished to that moment) compatriot.

I get it though.  You can only control what you say, not the implications of what you say.  And to be honest, all we do is speculate about what others do.  And I am fairly sure that An would have considered a quarterfinal loss to Jang a good result.  I am not so sure Jang is as happy about the result.


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Let's try another case. Lee Sangsu and Wong Chun Ting. Both met in the MS QF of WTTC 2017. If we go by the MS/MD/XD results in that edition alone, did WCT deserve that bronze medal more?

They are tied in H2H, with both at 8W8L. WCT won 7 of those 8 matches between 2015 and 2019. LSS won 4 of those 8 matches in the same period. Yet, LSS happened to win 2 of those 4 in 2017.

That's just life.

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Quote He played exceptionally well at the WTTC, reaching the QF in MS and MD and SF in XD, almost beating the eventual Champion in the MD and going the distance in the XD. I felt he took on too much burden for team Hong Kong, which was later confirmed by LGD in a local newspaper.




Edited by zeio - 03/09/2023 at 4:45am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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There are some parallels for sure but the match score at the WTTC is not close enough for me to seriously consider it.  It would be like me considering what would have happened had ZJK won the 2016 Olympic Gold.

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