WTTC Finals 2022, Chengdu, 9/30-10/9

OK, then the German federation needs a better translator and should read what they actually post on Facebook.

Facebook machine translation still as bad as ever.

https://www.facebook.com/tischtennis.de/posts/10159002979017361

Thanks zeio. It all makes sense now.

pongfugrasshopper wrote: I meant when the multi-tournament races are finished, and I mentioned not h2h.   I think my wording may have been a bit harsh when I said not deserve to be in the Olympics.  You can still be deserving and not make it so I admit to being wrong about that.  But the harsh reality is that there are only 3 spots on the team.  As of now, Ishikawa doesn't even make the team, and I actually don't think she will make it in the end.  I could be wrong though.  I think the JTTA has done everything they can to assist in the situation of someone getting in the way by having multiple tournaments and the rule of placing the winner furthest away from the loser in the subsequent tournament.  But if we say someone should not play based on past experience, then no one should play because they all have bad records against the top Chinese.  And in the case of Hayata and Kihara, they have no wins against the big 4.

H2H will always come into the picture, like when you cited RSM and WH, or Ito, Hayata, and Kihara against top CNT players at WTT SCT/CS ESS. If we turn to finishing positions instead of points, like I did for Ishikawa and CIC, isn't that a different kind of H2H? What if we do that for the race here? Who would come out on top?

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1131253&title=2022-zennoh-cup-top32-9-34#1131253

I was curious how much of an effect the FIXED DRAW had on the outcome of WS. Top 8 seeds only. 4 finals in total so far, but only a maximum of 3 finals is achievable in practice because winner of Lion Cup was exempt from Asian Games 2022 Qualifier. Hayata: 1st, N/A, 1st(non-fixed), 3rd Nagasaki: 2nd, w/d, R16(non-fixed), 3rd Hirano: 8th, 1st(non-fixed), 2nd(non-fixed), 8th Kihara: 3rd, 2nd(non-fixed), 3rd(non-fixed), R16 Ito: 5th, Grp(non-fixed), QF(non-fixed), 1st Ishikawa: 6th, Grp(non-fixed), R16(non-fixed), 2nd Harimoto: R16, N/E, R16(non-fixed), R16 ... 第3回パリオリンピック選考会/Paris 2024 Qualifier #3, 2022/11/12-13 Results from Zennoh Cup will be used for seeding(?) FIXED DRAW(?) 1 伊藤美誠/ITO Mima 2 石川佳純/ISHIKAWA Kasumi(伊藤/Ito) 3 早田ひな/HAYATA Hina(伊藤/Ito) 4 長﨑美柚/NAGASAKI Miyu(石川/Ishikawa) 5 芝田沙�£/SHIBATA Saki(石川/Ishikawa) 6 加藤美優/KATO Miyu(伊藤/Ito) 7 橋本　帆乃香/HASHIMOTO Honoka(長﨑/Nagasaki) 8 平野美宇/HIRANO Miu(早田/Hayata)

Now, why did Ito say the race would be decided this year? Because there are checkpoints players have to clear. And the impending one? WTTC 2023. We don't even have to wait until the end to see that whoever misses out on WTTC 2023 will be met with a deficit that will be next to impossible to compensate in the remaining race. Hirano is at the point of no return here. Had the Asian Games been held after Zennoh Cup as originally planned, she'd have been fine, but now?

W 200/F 160/SF 120/QF 80/R16 40/R32 20, most likely results for all of them


On "should NOT play", let me borrow a quote from Bobrow. On what did Bobrow base his opinions? Potential and value.

https://youtu.be/k-tcw6N9Oug?t=495

You know, Hina Hayata, fun fact for you, Hina Hayata, versus ZYL in kazakhstan at the end of last year in the WTGF, had a good chance against ZYL. She was up, I can't remember if it was 2-0 or 2-1 and played a high deuce game that went extra points[note: no deuce], then ZYL turned it around and won 4-2[note: 4-3]. That'd have been really interesting, right, if the Japanese team said, you know what, we're gonna play Ito and Hirano in the 1 and 2, and we're gonna play Hayata in the 3rd. World ranked no. 3 team captain, we're gonna have you sit this one out.

zeio wrote: H2H will always come into the picture, like when you cited RSM and WH, or Ito, Hayata, and Kihara against top CNT players at WTT SCT/CS ESS. If we turn to finishing positions instead of points, like I did for Ishikawa and CIC, isn't that a different kind of H2H? What if we do that for the race here? Who would come out on top? http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1131253&title=2022-zennoh-cup-top32-9-34#1131253

Ahead of WTTC 2022, Table Tennis World has just published an article in the latest volume 9/2022 on what WMY went through at WTT SCT/CS ESS while playing on one leg, especially in the following 3 matches in Star Contender.

WTT SCT ESS(in order of match time)
WMY 3-2 Ito(7, -9, -4, 7, 9)
WCQ/WMY 3-2 Miwa's brother/Hayata(-9, -6, 7, 7, 9)
SYS/WMY 3-0 Hayata/Ito(12, 6, 13)
WTT CS ESS
WMY 3-0 Ito(7, 10, 11)

Let's see what she has to say about her knee and Ito.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ViDqrAWiKctzIwBXxkT7nw

王曼昱：在最困难的时候，我一次次挖掘出自己的潜力 ... 只要站上赛场，我就要抛开伤病因素去比赛，但说实话，�£天我无法完全屏蔽伤病这件事，因为真的很疼。只是说我确实下定了决心，调动得很好，以一个很好的精神面貌投入到比赛中。‘疼就疼吧’，在比赛中我是这么想的，为的是让自己不要有任何顾忌地去跑起来。 ... 比赛真有一度不是在打技术了，打的就是信念，真不能输，一定得扛下来，我就是靠这个信念赢下来的。 在这场战胜伊藤的比赛里，我的信念稍微有一点点偏差可能就赢不下来，如果换做是以前的我，也许这场球就输了。但现在我首先有自信，相信自己可以赢下来，而且我现在在赛场上的坚持，也不是一味只去坚持，而是在坚持中会拼命想办法去突破，这是我的成长。 ... 在训练场上我一试，感觉真的不行，�£手拉球都拉不了。我觉得我打不了了，这时我回头和莎莎对视，突然就有点想哭，觉得特别内疚。当我走下训练场，想到我身兼三项——女双只有我们这一对，马上要进行的半决赛是对主要对手；混双我和王楚钦已经打到决赛了，也是打主要对手的一场外战——虽然身体方面当时感觉难以继续，但我心里知道自己身上的�£任，我一定要坚持完成外战。做了这样的决定后我就让队医在我膝盖上加了几根针，然后吃了止疼药。赛前我和莎莎说，我的腿可能不太能动，但我一定会尽力。我们在女双半决赛上的战术是争取在前三板得分，减少相持减少跑动，算是制定了特殊时期的特殊战术。 ... 比赛一开始，我就明显感觉到王楚钦特别想在他�£一板打出高质量的球，承担更多的得分，包括他在落点上也在尽量多地限制对手，给我创造出机会，也让我接球的难度小一点。但同时，王楚钦也因为要打得很凶，承担了很大的�£�险。第三局上场前，我说大头你不用太照顾我了，�£常打就行。当时我觉得自己已经调动到极致，�£常打没有问题，而且我有信心我们一定能咬回来。王楚钦�£边压力没�£么大之后，我们整体就感觉打舒服了。当时虽然我们0比2落后，但比赛没有结束，我心底有信念，相信我们在什么局面下都可以赢回来。后面我真是顾不上什么膝盖什么疼痛了，打我大角度会够不着？当时完全没有这一说了。 ... 为了第二天能好一点，去打这场女双，�£天的治疗有点猛。来到赛场后我依然是信念很足，我已经克服这么多困难站在这里了，就有决心赢下比赛。女双决赛打得也挺纠结，但每一个环节我和莎莎都顶住了。其实回想整个球星挑战赛，我一次次地挖掘了自己的潜力，从一天四赛的经历、到综合能力的考验、到挑战自己的伤病、到赢下混双和女双决赛。最后站在女双领奖台上，感受到自己真�£做到了的�£一刻，我觉得能肯定一下自己，觉得自己做得挺�£�的。

WMY: In the most difficult times, I tapped into my potential again and again

...

Once I step on the court, I have to put aside the factor of injury and play, but to be honest, I couldn't completely cover up the injury that day, because it really hurt. It was just that I'd made up my mind, mobilized well, and went into the match with a good mental attitude. "Just ignore the pain", that's what I thought during the match, in order to let myself run without hesitation.

...

[Note: WMY 3-2 Ito(7, -9, -4, 7, 9)]
There was a moment when the match was not about skills, but about belief. I really couldn’t lose. I had to carry it. I won with that belief.


In this match against Ito, if my belief was slightly off, I might not have been able to win. If it were the old me, maybe the match would have been lost. But now I had self-confidence to start with, believed that I could win, and my perseverance on the court now was not just merely to persevere, but that I would try my best to break through in the process of perseverance. That was my growth.

...

When I tried it in the training hall, it really didn't work, I couldn't even loop with my FH. I felt like I couldn't play anymore. At that time, I turned and looked at Shasha, and suddenly I wanted to cry and felt very guilty. When I walked out of the training hall, I remembered that I entered 3 events — we were the only pair in WD, and the upcoming SF was against our main opponent[note: Polcanova/Szocs]; WCQ and I had already reached the F in XD, and were also up against our main opponent. Although I felt it was difficult to continue physically at the time, I knew in my heart my responsibility, and I must persist on completing the "matches against foreign players". After making that decision, I had the team doctor put a few needles in my knee, and then I took painkillers. Before the match, I told Shasha that my leg might not be able to move much, but I would try my best. Our strategy in the WD SF was to score points in 3rd balls, reduce rallies and reduce running. Desperate measures for desperate times.

...

[Note: WCQ/WMY 3-2 Miwa's brother/Hayata(-9, -6, 7, 7, 9)]
At the beginning of the match, I clearly felt that WCQ wanted to play high-quality shots on his turn and took on more scoring, also by limiting the opponents as much as possible with placement, creating opportunities for me, and also making it easier for me to return. But at the same time, WCQ also took a lot of risk because he wanted to play aggressively. Before G3, I said you didn't need to take care of me so much, you could just play normally. At the time, I felt that I had been mobilized to the max, and I had no problem playing normally, and I was confident that we would be able to find our way back in. After WCQ was less stressed, we all felt comfortable playing. Although we were 0-2 behind, the match was not over. I had faith in my heart that we could win in any situation. I really couldn't less about the pain in my knee after that. I couldn't reach it if you played a wide shot? There was absolutely no such thing at that point.

...

[Note: SYS/WMY 3-0 Hayata/Ito(12, 6, 13)]
In order to play better in the WD the next day. The treatment that day was a bit intense. After coming to the arena, I still had a lot of faith. I had overcome so many difficulties to reach here, and I was determined to win the match. The WD F was also quite close, but Shasha and I held our own in every segment. In fact, looking back on the entire Star Contender, I had tapped into my potential again and again, from the experience of 4 matches in 1 day, to the test of comprehensive ability, to challenging my injuries, to winning the XD and WD finals. The moment I finally stood on the WD podium and felt that I really did it, I thought I could give myself a pat on the back and that I did a great job.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92138&PID=1130758&title=european-championships-2022-8-1321#1130758

The moment you enter the court, you tough it out until the very end and muster the courage to lose even 0:11, or else don't even step on the court. (Staring at CM and WMY at WTT SCT/CS ESS 2022)

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92179&PID=1131688&title=wttc-finals-2022-chengdu-9-3010-9#1131688

Ito had to beat WMY there but failed.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91514&PID=1125270&title=2022-wtt-doha-events-03-1331#1125270

Nothing to do with skills. Different outcomes. Came down to perseverance.

Edited by zeio - 09/15/2022 at 12:44pm

Good for WMY.  Currently, she is one of if not the best female player in the world.  I'm sure it was tough even with the pain killers and injections, but the video doesn't exactly pass the eye test for playing on one leg; otherwise, sign her up for the Paralympics as well .  But to each his own how they want to characterize it.  It's all good.  Hopefully, we get good matches at the World Teams Championship.

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/09/025966.html
Q.伊藤美誠はなぜ「日本のエース」なのか？ �£体戦が好きすぎる。�£体戦に強すぎるから。
Q. Why is Ito "Japan's Ace"? I love team event so much. Because we're too strong in team event.

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/09/025974.html
早田ひな「成長できたのは みうみま のおかげ」いつも二人の天才がいた... いざ 最強『黄金世�£』の先頭へ
Hayata: "It's all thanks to MiuMima that I was able to grow", there were always 2 prodigies...reaching for the top of the strongest "Golden Generation"

Germany
https://www.sport1.de/news/tischtennis/2022/09/ohne-boll-und-ovtcharov-qiu-fuhrt-dttb-team-bei-mannschafts-wm-an
Dang Qiu, Benedikt Duda, Ricardo Walther, Kay Stumper, Fanbo Meng
Han Ying, Nina Mittelham, Xiaona Shan, Sabine Winter, Annett Kaufmann

Poland
https://www.pzts.pl/aktualnosci/dms-bialo-czerwoni-w-8-osobowym-skladzie-w-chengdu/
https://www.pzts.pl/aktualnosci/druzynowe-mistrzostwa-swiata-artur-grela-zastapil-jakuba-dyjasa/
Natalia Bajor, Natalia Partyka and sisters Katarzyna and Anna Węgrzyn
Jakub Dyjas replaced by Artur Grela, Samuel Kulczycki, Maciej Kubik and Miłosz Redzimski

Brazil
https://www.cbtm.org.br/noticia/detalhe/99366/so-tem-fera-brasil-tem-convocacoes-definidas-para-mundial-por-equipes-e-jogos-sul-americanos
Hugo Calderano, Vitor Ishiy and Eric Jouti
Bruna Takahashi, Laura Watanabe and Giulia Takahashi
Francisco Arado, known as Paco, and Hideo Yamamoto will be the coaches

Hong Kong, China
https://www.sportsroad.hk/archives/388072
https://news.tvb.com/tc/sports/632839e16849511ba4854f30/%E9%AB%94%E8%82%B2-%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93%E5%9C%98%E9%AB%94%E8%B3%BD%E6%B8%AF%E9%9A%8A%E7%9B%AE%E6%A8%99%E5%A5%B3%E5%9C%98%E7%88%AD%E7%89%8C
DHK, Soo Wai Yam, Lee Ho Ching, Zhu Chengzhu, Ng Wing Lam(not to be confused with Ng Wing Nam)
WCT, Lam Siu Hang, Ng Pak Nam, Li Hon Ming, Yiu Kwan To
Chan Kong Wah: Medal in WT and QF in MT
WCT: Reach the main draw first and will see from there

zeio wrote: France https://www.fftt.com/site/actualites/2022-09-14/modification-de-selection-pour-mondiaux-de-chengdu https://www.fftt.com/site/actualites/2022-09-03/la-selection-pour-championnats-monde-par-equipes Simon Gauzy replaced by TBD, Emmanuel Lebesson, Alexis Lebrun, Félix Lebrun Pauline Chasselin, Charlotte Lutz, Prithika Pavade, Jia Nan Yuan zeio wrote: Chinese Taipei https://www.cttta.org.tw/files/News/20221205460.jpg https://www.cttta.org.tw/news.asp?type=1 LYJ, CCY, Liao Cheng-Ting, Huang Yan-Cheng, Peng Wang-Wei CIC, CSY, Liu Hsing-Yin, Li Yu-Jhun, Huang Yi-Hua Sweden https://www.svenskbordtennis.com/Nyheter/Pingisnytt/HerrarnastrupptillBordtennis-VMiKina/ https://www.svenskbordtennis.com/Nyheter/Pingisnytt/DamernasVM-trupp/ https://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/svenska-bordtennisfoerbundet/pressreleases/herrarnas-trupp-till-bordtennis-vm-3200760 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/svenska-bordtennisfoerbundet/pressreleases/damernas-vm-trupp-3198946 Moregard, Kalsson, Kallberg, Falck, Persson Bergstrom, Kallberg, Filippa Bergand, Matilda Hansson, Reserve: Rebecca Muskantor India http://ttfi.org/news/show/1119 G Sathiyan, Sanil Shetty, Harmeet Desai, Manush Shah and Manav Thakkar Manika Batra, Sreeja Akula, Reeth Rishya, Diya Chitale and Swastika Ghosh zeio wrote: Teams with members announced that I'm aware of. Haven't checked the others. China http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92179&PID=1130718&title=wttc-finals-2022-chengdu-9-3010-9#1130718 FZD, ML, LJK, WCQ, LGY SYS, CM, WMY, WYD, CXT Japan http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1124892&title=2022-zennoh-cup-top32-9-34#1124892 Togami, Miwa's brother, Oikawa, Yokotani, Niwa Ito, Hayata, Nagasaki, Kihara, Sato South Korea https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91652&PID=1126089&title=ktta-2022-asian-games-cum-wttc-qualifier-4-1824#1126089 JWJ, CDS, AJH, Hwang Minha, CSM JJH, Kim Nayeong, Lee Zion, Yoon Hyobin, Kim Hayeong Canada https://ttcanada.ca/self-funded-team-to-2022-chendu-wtttc/ https://ttcanada.ca/selection-for-2022-world-team-championships/ Crystal Liu, Ivy Liao, Fiona Jiayi Nie, May Tong Hui(player/coach) Edward Ly, Aaron Zexuan Wang, David Xu Coach: Paul Qi Eugene Wang, Jeremy Hazin, Edward Ly, HongTao Chen, Max J.L. Ji/Siméon Martin, Mattew Lehmann, Alternates 1: Zexuan Wang 2: Tommy Xu Mo Zhang, Ivy Gui Hua Liao, Ching Nam Fu, May Tong, Sophie Gauthier, Jessie Xu, Katherine Morin, Crystal Liu, Fiona Jiayi Nie, Alternates 1: Judy Zhong 2: Daisy Zhang Germany is more concerned with bargaining with ITTF than announcing their team members - https://www.sport1.de/news/tischtennis/2022/08/wm-anreise-von-boll-und-co-nach-china-ungeklart

Edited by zeio - 09/20/2022 at 2:21pm

I scoured the USATT site and couldn't figure out exactly which USA players are going.

KNT men's headcoach Joo Sehyuk and women's headcoach Oh Kwang-heon: QF in MT and WT

https://sports.donga.com/sports/article/all/20220919/115522323/2

�£� 감독은 스포츠동아와 통화에서 “현역 시절 아쉬움이 컸던 대회라 이미지 트레이닝을 많이 하고 있다”며 “직전 대회 남자단체전 동메달 멤버 중 장우진만 남아있다. 자신감을 �£�면서 선수들의 성장에 초점을 맞추고 있다”고 말했다. 상황이 낙관적이진 않다. 소집기간(8�£�) 동안 국제대회 출전을 위해 자리를 비웠던 선수들이 많았다. 여자대표팀은 전지희의 무릎 부상 악재도 겹쳤다. 게다가 한 수 아래로 여겼던 스웨덴, 대만, 프랑스 등의 기량이 올라왔다. 생활체육 수준에 불과했던 중동의 ‘모래바람’도 거세졌다. 두 사령탑은 1차 목표를 8강으로 하고, 이후 순위권도 노려본다는 구상이다. 두 감독은 “훈련 여건과 별개로 선수들이 계속 성장하는 건 고무적이다. 우리의 방향성이 틀리지 않았다는 걸 증명 하겠다”며 “선수들에게 ‘세계 정상이 되려면 소속팀에서도 국제레벨에 맞춰 훈련해야한다’고 강조해왔다. 태극마크의 긍지를 지켜나갈 것”이라고 힘�£�어 말했다.

In a phone call with Sports Dong-A, coach Joo said, "I am doing a lot of image training because it was a tournament that I regretted a lot during my active career. He gives confidence and focuses on the growth of the players.”

The situation is not optimistic. During the call-up period (8 weeks), many players were absent to participate in international competitions. The women's team also suffered from a knee injury by Jeon Ji-hee. In addition, the skills of Sweden, Taiwan, and France, which were considered inferior, have risen. The ‘sand wind’ in the Middle East, which was only at the level of physical education, has also intensified. The two commanders plan to aim for the quarterfinals as their primary goal and aim for the rankings afterwards.

The two coaches said, “It is encouraging that the players continue to grow regardless of the training conditions. We will prove that our direction is not wrong.” “I have emphasized to the players, ‘To become a world leader, our team must also train according to the international level. We will protect the pride of the Taegeuk mark,” he said strongly.

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1667587-20220920.htm?spTabChangeable=0

"With the joint efforts of the whole city, the epidemic has been effectively controlled," the Chengdu government said in a statement on Sunday. ... Chengdu will host the world team table tennis championships at the end of September in a "closed-loop" bubble that will be China's first international sports event since the Beijing Winter Olympics and Paralympics in February and March. (Agencies)

"Great Wall of Opponents" is "National Security" now, apparently.

咪咕独家探营！国乒成都世乒赛封闭训练
https://www.miguvideo.com/mgs/website/prd/detail.html?cid=745942028
备战成都世乒赛已经进入冲刺阶段 中国女乒适应场地
https://www.miguvideo.com/mgs/website/prd/detail.html?cid=746351234
中国男乒首次适应世乒赛场地 樊振东和马龙进行远台对攻练习
https://www.miguvideo.com/mgs/website/prd/detail.html?cid=746357470
More on WTTC 2022 dedicated page
http://m.miguvideo.com/mgs/msite/prd/index.html?pageId=abe5ca515ffc4333a5025d7bdf54ed3b&subNavPageId=065cfe2ba37a41d3b4182af3b8c77754&channelId=10010001005

zeio wrote: Time for the "Great Wall of Opponents" again. https://m.weibo.cn/2642181484/4814325401256393 https://www.douban.com/group/topic/275066779/?_i=33150109hNsizJ https://www.douban.com/group/topic/275072935/?_i=33160069hNsizJ

Edited by zeio - 09/21/2022 at 5:41am

Migu Video WTTC 2022 promos.

《星耀成都》
https://www.miguvideo.com/mgs/website/prd/detail.html?cid=746122847

kakapo wrote: Germany's argument for not taking Boll, Franziska, Dima is.....give a chance to the next generation....OK but then, why do they take Han Ying and Shan Xiaona , 39 years old both ? If I can understand for Boll, it is really weird for Franz and Dima.....They want to be sure to miss a silver or a bronze medal ?