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8‐5 to 8-11.  Hope dies point by point.
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YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!! AMAZING HINA HAYATA!!!!!
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

This is table tennis.

Yes.  The best match of the event.   Hayata restores hope.
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So many missed opportunities for WYD....ouch !!!! The pressure was on her side, this time, she didn't manage to cope with it. Nice fight but it was Hayata's day...Hope she will sleep well, it will be a though match tomorrow.
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Amazing win for Hayata. 

The culmination of so many years of very good performances against the Chinese players, and highly deserving after various injury and Japanese association adversities. 


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Hayata saves the table tennis galaxy.  The Force is with her.  

What an incredible match.  Hayata poured her heart and soul into that match, and I'm just so happy she can reap the rewards.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

So many missed opportunities for WYD....ouch !!!! The pressure was on her side, this time, she didn't manage to cope with it. Nice fight but it was Hayata's day...Hope she will sleep well, it will be a though match tomorrow.
Imo her recalcitrance to do something new on the receive cost her, on hayata's second match point she finally pushed and  drew parity, and I thought oh finally the chiquita will rest, but she went back to it and gave Hina the initiative.
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For me personally it was following a tournament in Portugal a few years ago where I started really rooting for Hayata.

She beat Chinese players. I'm too lazy to look up the details right now but Liu Shiwen was certainly one of them.

She played amazing and ever since I was hoping for a day like this.

There were many good performances ever since. I especially remember matches against Chen Meng, and like others I've been very frustrated whenever she didn't even have the opportunity to shine, when it was all to clear others (Ishikawa cough cough) couldn't and unlike Hayata stood no realistic chance against CNT. It's so great to see it finally coming together with this kind of win and a world championship semi-final!

Now, I'm sure Sun Yingsha is by far the toughest opponent right now, and I'm pretty sure she will win the tournament, so one of the others as an opponent instead would have been preferable.


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MD SF
WCQ/FZD 3-1 CDS/LSS

WD SF
WMY/SYS 0-3 SYB/JJH
G3 13 TO for CHN, 14, 34, 35, 65, 611
Xiao Zhan will have to bear the responsibility if the pair loses here. His ridiculous training intensity is shaving off the vigor of WMY's career (ZJK was under him).


Hayata/Ito can break up. Poor MLin is gonna get grilled by fans across China.

JJH (her nationality and things unrelated to table tennis) and SYB (injury) have gone through some of the most difficult times after Tokyo 2020.

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ML 4-1 LGY
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40, 41, 51, 62, 72, 73, 83, 87 a yellow for ML, 97, 99, 109, 1010, 1211, 1213, 1313, 1314 TO for LGY, 1414, 1416
20, 21, 31, 36, 46, 76, 77, 97, 99, 109, 1010, 1110, 1111, 1311
The demeanor ML has been putting on display in this WTTC is really unconvincing. Still far from Waldner.
40, 45, 56, 67, 117

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Missing those 2 FH at 9:7 of G5 cost Harimoto the match. He needed to make just 1 of them count. Still, the tenacity he displayed in G3 and G4 after being down 2 games, then from trailing to leading in G5, and still kept it close in G6 eliminates any doubt on his mental strength.











Mental strenght no. He was up 9 7 in 6 game and many times he stomped the floor when missing shots.
It happened when he was defeated by dijas
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Those 2 points actually had to do with his FH. It's a technical issue rather than mental. It's just like FZD 3-4, 9:7, 10:12 ML at WTTC 2017.

He actually overcame his mindset issue of playing safe on the BH and attempted the FH in those 2 points.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Those 2 points actually had to do with his FH. It's a technical issue rather than mental. It's just like FZD 3-4, 9:7, 10:12 ML at WTTC 2017.

He actually overcame his mindset issue of playing safe on the BH and attempted the FH in those 2 points.
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Game 7 of HH vs. WYD .... should be on your short list of greatest games ever:




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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Game 7 of HH vs. WYD .... should be on your short list of greatest games ever:


And Hayata breaking into the chinese party makes it more special.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Game 7 of HH vs. WYD .... should be on your short list of greatest games ever:


And Hayata breaking into the chinese party makes it more special.

Watching it to relive good memories.  Awesome match with a great result. 
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One of the most unbelievable match I've ever watched!  Congrats to both women, especially to Hinata!!!
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12123 HE: 100 years ago, there was this legendary best-of-8 match played between Morningfield Hina from the Sun Origin and King Yidi from the Middle Kingdom on the soil of the Rainbow Nation.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

MD SF
WCQ/FZD 3-1 CDS/LSS

WD SF
WMY/SYS 0-3 SYB/JJH
G3 13 TO for CHN, 14, 34, 35, 65, 611
Xiao Zhan will have to bear the responsibility if the pair loses here. His ridiculous training intensity is shaving off the vigor of WMY's career (ZJK was under him).


Hayata/Ito can break up. Poor MLin is gonna get grilled by fans across China.

JJH (her nationality and things unrelated to table tennis) and SYB (injury) have gone through some of the most difficult times after Tokyo 2020.

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1210
104, 108 TO for ML, 1011, 7 in a row, 1111, 1311
40, 41, 51, 62, 72, 73, 83, 87 a yellow for ML, 97, 99, 109, 1010, 1211, 1213, 1313, 1314 TO for LGY, 1414, 1416
20, 21, 31, 36, 46, 76, 77, 97, 99, 109, 1010, 1110, 1111, 1311
The demeanor ML has been putting on display in this WTTC is really unconvincing. Still far from Waldner.
40, 45, 56, 67, 117
Ma long had actually looked supreme before this match, and LGY is a darn good player who's also a teammate that knows him well, not every match will go 4-0, Or did his royal highness Lao Wa never had a scrappy win against a top 10 player??, this is also best of 11 too not long drawn out affairs; shorter points favoring the faster players. Taking stock of his age and physicality it's obvious that Ma Long is doing very well here.

Waldner was so dominant he won 2 Olympics in a row and 3 Worlds in a row, oops.

The top guys today are faster, stronger and more skillful. They'll be just as competitive in that era too.



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CNT must fear Hayata IMO.....To me, they ask WMY - SYS to lose very quickly their match Vs the Koreans so that SYS didn't lose too much nerve impulses before her match at 1PM Vs Hayata.
I dont want to disrespect the Koreans but when I see the score, this must be the only explanation. 
CNT are nearly sure to win this with Cheng Meng and Wang Yidi.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/27/2023 at 4:16am
I've been waiting for that view to pop up.

To be honest, it's really weird for MLin to not call TO after blowing the 5:0 lead in G2. WMY is obviously in poor form and dejected after the QF exit in WS. SYS is tired, yes, but when she didn't even reach for some shots that she could've/would've done so, one can't help but feel that she was trying to conserve her energy and refrain from getting injured.

Another factor is that the MD and WD events have been canceled for the upcoming National Games. The amount of interest and effort put into the events by the CNT has been noted by Tieba users to see a substantial decrease.

Edited by zeio - 05/27/2023 at 4:38am
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Harimoto is a great player. There's no doubt about that. I wonder if he will continue screaming his whole career? The umpires and referee should have toned him down long ago.

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Wang Yidi acknowledges Hayata's performance, says that she herself performed to her own level but made a few too many mistakes and wasn't able to control her emotions as well.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Zu411W75Q/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
Wang Yidi says she thoroughly analysed all of Hirano's patterns after her previous loss. Mentions how Hirano missing her saved net clip at 9-5 was a turning point of the match.

Chen Meng shows that she's the leader of the Wang/Chen pair. She's the one who told Wang to hold on while they were trailing in the last set vs Ito/Hayata while Wang was already feeling a little tight at that point. Chen was too focused to even notice that they had only beaten their opponents by two points in each game.

Kihara speaking chinese! Still seems to struggle with finding the words but still very impressive for someone who learned the language on her own. Says that she's very happy to have taken 2 games off her Idol Chen Meng.

Reporter tells Chen Meng that she's Kihara's Idol. Response: I already knew that LOL. Acknowledges Kihara's improvement from the last time they met and praised her backhand.

Another Chen Meng interview. Really nervous going into a match that she's been looking forward to (last time they played was 3 years ago). Nothing much else to say since the match was over so quickly, starts talking about Nagasaki/Kihara in women's doubles and how they expected to be threatened given how strong the Japanese pair are in the first three shots.

I thought Chen Xingtong would be more excited considering that this was a breakthrough tournament for her but I guess when you're in team China nothing matters except gold.

(couldn't find any interviews from WMY about her losses, perhaps she rejected interviews?)

Han Ying poised and gracious as always. Says she's happy not to have made any mistakes in her loss against SYS this time around. In fact she says that she performed better than the previous time where she lost the last three games too easily. Also mentions that she's not carrying any injuries at the moment and that she loves the opportunity to train with team China and witness the most advanced techniques.

Harimoto felt that he had the advantage in backhand-to-backhand rallies and says that not defending against LJK is basically impossible. Says that he's satisfied with his performance but still makes mistakes that CNT does not make. Adds that his performance with Hayata in XD was normal but that SYS/WCQ were just on another level, but they have no choice but to just continue challenging them the next time around. This interview happened before the epic Hayata X WYD battle, so he still looks a little dejected, says that winning the championship is really hard for Hayata but hopes that she can clinch this opportunity to win a medal at least (which she did)!

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1. Hayata (obviously)
2. Kihara (took two games off Chen Meng and medalled in WD)
3. Hirano (played well but didn't convert any of her chances)
4. Ito/Nagasaki (for Ito it's a bit of a return to form but she ended on a poor note by playing absolute rubbish against Chen Meng. Nagasaki did what she could in singles and was 1/2 of the bronze medal winning doubles pair so almost tempted to place her slightly above Ito)


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SYS owns so many more weapons than Wang Yidi. Impressive !.....But I feel for Chen Meng if she reaches the final. A grand slam before leaving, it would be nice.
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I wonder what ranked male players Sun Yingsha could beat.
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Originally posted by Twiddler Twiddler wrote:

Harimoto is a great player. There's no doubt about that. I wonder if he will continue screaming his whole career? The umpires and referee should have toned him down long ago.
I prefer his screams after the point than the grunts on every shot like Pucar and Ovtcharov do.
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Originally posted by MartinCho29 MartinCho29 wrote:

I wonder what ranked male players Sun Yingsha could beat.
She can beat some of these guys in the top 32, even the cream of the top guys have to play her very seriously. Same goes for Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Hina Hayata , Wang Yidi, Chen Xingtong, Mima Ito.
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Minnie Soo (along with Tang Kwok Kei) is offering some unique insights on the local TV broadcast.
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Originally posted by MartinCho29 MartinCho29 wrote:

I wonder what ranked male players Sun Yingsha could beat.
She can beat some of these guys in the top 32, even the cream of the top guys have to play her very seriously. Same goes for Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Hina Hayata , Wang Yidi, Chen Xingtong, Mima Ito.
Sarting from 0-0 in each game, I doubt she could beat a lot of top 32 players IMO.
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Originally posted by MartinCho29 MartinCho29 wrote:

I wonder what ranked male players Sun Yingsha could beat.
She can beat some of these guys in the top 32, even the cream of the top guys have to play her very seriously. Same goes for Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Hina Hayata , Wang Yidi, Chen Xingtong, Mima Ito.
Nah.  She was beaten by Nikhil Kumar in a close one:


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