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Viscaria FL - 91g
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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One more chopper, good for the show!
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Hope he doesn’t throw his paddle at anyone this time 
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Draw ceremony at 1300 local time.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Awful draw for the Japanese women.  Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round.  Miu Hirano in same quarter as them.  Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.
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The men's draw promises of exciting match-ups and potential upsets in all quarters; especially in LJK and ML's quarter. It's gonna be very interesting.

Japan got the worst draw possible in the women singles, but who knows; maybe it's the start of one of them going on a glorious run, after all in the crucible is where diamonds are formed.

Looking forward to the mixed doubles and the men's doubles draws, there may be some surprises in the latter stages. Korea and Sweden are dark horses. Japan will show up as usual

Japan is the only team that can stop China in the Women's doubles, not sure if they can stop two pairs though.



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Choi Hyojoo could get another chance at CXT in the R32. 
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When is Joo CheonHee gonna be eligible to represent Korea??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tommy16 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/18/2023 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Awful draw for the Japanese women.  Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round.  Miu Hirano in same quarter as them.  Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.

No worries since this is not a full draw, just seeded players.



Edited by Tommy16 - 05/18/2023 at 1:34pm
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Considering how 'good' the JPN girls form has been it's probably a good thing that they're meeting earlier.

Kihara probably stands no chance against CM and will likely finish at R16 if she doesn't stumble earlier.

I think Ito has a better chance against CM than she does against SYS and WMY so this is arguably the 2nd best draw she could have hoped for. But that's assuming she makes it past Suthasini + Batra/Diaz, all of whom are no pushovers. IMO Ito is the most volatile of the lot and could finish anywhere between quarters/R16/R32.

Hirano has been in relatively stable form so I'd expect her to make it past Jeon Jihee, although and upset is entirely possible. Then at R16 she'll have another crack at WYD. Even if she makes it past that she'll have to contend with Hayata whom she has been losing to pretty consistently. Most likely another R16 finish for her. 

Don't really expect Nagasaki to beat Hayata and Doo Hoi Kem at R16 is a tough but beatable opponent. Most likely R32 for Nagasaki and another quarters finish for Hayata unless she can finally break her chinese losing streak.

Overall Hirano/Hayata have the best chance of medaling if they play their cards right. 
Ito finishing at her allotted seeding will be a small miracle at this point. She'll need an even bigger one to overcome CM. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stiltt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/19/2023 at 5:26am
Looks like Alexis will have to go throuh Darko, Jikun, Tomokazu and Felix to get to the final while Felix will need to win Dang, Zhengdong, Truls and Alexis Tongue



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pongfugrasshopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/19/2023 at 7:42am
Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

Considering how 'good' the JPN girls form has been it's probably a good thing that they're meeting earlier.

Kihara probably stands no chance against CM and will likely finish at R16 if she doesn't stumble earlier.

I think Ito has a better chance against CM than she does against SYS and WMY so this is arguably the 2nd best draw she could have hoped for. But that's assuming she makes it past Suthasini + Batra/Diaz, all of whom are no pushovers. IMO Ito is the most volatile of the lot and could finish anywhere between quarters/R16/R32.

Hirano has been in relatively stable form so I'd expect her to make it past Jeon Jihee, although and upset is entirely possible. Then at R16 she'll have another crack at WYD. Even if she makes it past that she'll have to contend with Hayata whom she has been losing to pretty consistently. Most likely another R16 finish for her. 

Don't really expect Nagasaki to beat Hayata and Doo Hoi Kem at R16 is a tough but beatable opponent. Most likely R32 for Nagasaki and another quarters finish for Hayata unless she can finally break her chinese losing streak.

Overall Hirano/Hayata have the best chance of medaling if they play their cards right. 
Ito finishing at her allotted seeding will be a small miracle at this point. She'll need an even bigger one to overcome CM. 
This is a decent draw for Mima Ito to get back into the Paris 2024 race.  She's favored to make a QF and could possibly even make a SF.  I kind of feel that if Hirano were to pull off another upset and beat WYD again, then that would normally be enough to win the quarter, but in this case she would possibly have to face Hayata.  And the crazy thing is that even if she beat WYD, she wouldn't get Paris points for beating a top 3 CNT player because WYD is WR#4.  Aside from Nagasaki, Hirano has the toughest road.  I was looking for Szocs to pull off another miracle, but it looks like even if that happened, it wouldn't help any of the Japanese women as they are in different quarters.  In fact, poor Bernie is stuck in the quarter that has two CNT players.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Awful draw for the Japanese women.  Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round.  Miu Hirano in same quarter as them.  Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.

I looked back at the draw at the 2021 WTTC, and the draw for the Japanese Women's in this year's WTTC nearly mirrors that of the 2021 WTTC. In both instances, 2 Japanese Women were in CM's quarter and 3 Japanese Women were in WYD's quarter.

WYD's Quarter
2023 Nagasaki got Shibata's 2021 WTTC draw-> face a Japanese player in the R32
2023 Hirano got Hayata's 2021 WTTC draw-> face WYD in the R16
2023 Hayata got Ito's 2021 WTTC draw-> face a Japanese player in the R32 and WYD in the QF

CM's Quarter
2023 Kihara got Hirano's 2021 WTTC draw-> face CM in the R16
2023 Ito got Ishikawa's 2021 WTTC draw-> face CM in the QF

The Japanese Women can't really complain though since the Japanese Men have it much worse. 2 Japanese men are in LJK's quarter while 3 Japanese Men are in WCQ's sixteenth (R32)!

Interestingly, in this year's WTTC, Togami and Ito also got the same opponents for their first matches as with the 2021 WTTC. Togami's first opponent is Tomas Polansky (CZE) again. Ito, on the other hand, got Zauresh Akasheva again (KAZ) (short pips BH) who happens to be Ito's fan. Maybe Ito will get some Kazakhstan chocolate after the match again. :))
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Both Miyu Kato and Jin Ueda did an interview with BUTTERFLY Japan previewing the 2023 WTTC and its players from their perspectives as active professional players. Miyu Kato talked about Women's Singles and Doubles while Jin Ueda talked about Men's Singles, Men's Doubles, and Mixed Doubles.

Miyu Kato Part 2- Japanese Players and others: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022462.html
Miyu Kato Part 3- Women's Doubles Preview: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022482.html

Jin Ueda Part 1- Chinese Players and other: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022450.html
Jin Ueda Part 4- Mixed Doubles: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022464.html

Some Highlights:
Kato
She considers SYS, WMY, CM to be at a tier above that of WYD and CXT. She says that compared to the former 3 players, the latter 2 aren't as stable against defense and "special" playing styles. She feels CM stability in the power rallies is the best among Chinese players, so you can only defeat her by breaking through with serve and receive. (which Kato believes was the reason she was able to beat her in the 2019 T2 Diamond Malaysia) 

For Japanese players, she highlights Hirano's improvements especially in defense and thinks that she has been in good form lately. She still thinks that Ito poses the greatest challenge to Chinese players amongst the Japanese players selected for WTTC but is concerned about Ito's current condition. She also mentions Han Ying, CIC, Polcanova, Diaz, Sawettabut, Shin Yubin, Batra and Lily Zhang as players to watch out for. She also said Ni Xialian's playing style may be scary for other Asian Players, but not for Japanese players who are generally adept at playing against this style.

For Women's Doubles, she says there seems to be a slight gap between China and Japan's doubles pairs when compared to the rest of the world. However, she highlights JJH/SYB as a strong and stable pair not from China or Japan. You can read the full articles at the links above to see Kato's full comments for each of the Chinese, Japanese, and Rest of the World players.

Ueda
He observes that WCQ seems strong against ML, ML seems strong against FZD, and FZD seems strong against WCQ, so he's interested how the draw plays out. He feels ML has proven his strength and mentality in the WTTC and Olympic stage, so he would like to see if FZD can cross the "ML wall" and beat him on a stage bigger than the World Tour. He mentions Moregard, the Lebrun brothers, LYJ, Jorgic, QD, Lim Jong-hoon, Calderano and Kallberg as players to watch out for.

For Japanese players, he has a hunch that Harimoto will do well this WTTC. He also observes that Togami has difficulty against left-handers (Note: he could face WCQ in the R64). Interestingly, he feels that the contenders for the Men's doubles championship will likely be among the seeded players and believes that there will be less upsets in Men's Doubles than Men's Singles. For Mixed Doubles, he favors WCQ/SYS and Harimoto/Hayata to meet in the finals and calls them the two strongest pairs in the WTTC. He feels LSD/KM is the third strongest pair with a decent chance to make the final. He also mentions LJH/SYB and Uda/Kihara as the other noteworthy pairs. You can read the full articles at the links above to see Ueda's full comments for each of the Chinese, Japanese, and Rest of the World players.
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Just saw the USA Women's draws:
    Lily Zhang vs. Linda Bergstrom (Sweden) Bad draw for Lily, not strong against chop.
    Amy Wang vs. Audrey Zarif (France) This could be interesting.
    Sarah Jalli vs. Hina Hayata (Japan) A bridge too far.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote kaitenNashi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 2:09am
I don't really fancy Szocs chances at upsetting CXT again given China's history of hyper analyzing opponents who they've lost to. Szocs needs to get past an in-form CIC to reach CXT anyway and I don't think she's the favourite in that matchup. 

Hirano has a tricky first-round opponent in Zeng Jian who just won the SEA games championships after beating Orawan and Suthasini who have been dominating the region in recent years. That same Orawan took two games off Ishikawa at the Olympics and will likely face Kihara in the second round. 

Suh Hyo Won has the potential to upset Doo Hoi Kem again in R32, but that's provided she makes it past Bruna Takahashi and Karoline Mischek/Solomiya Bratekyo. These days it feels like Suh could lose against anybody. 

It's already 2023 and no sign of Yui Hamamoto in Austrian colours anywhere. Did she change her nationality for nothing? Kinda tired of watching Amelie Solja being a sitting duck at the table.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 3:39am
Catching up. Still bothered by golfer's elbow, DHK will focus on the XD along with WCT, more so after the excellent XD draw.

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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Still haven't isolated the root cause of pain, LYJ has decided to withdraw from MD and focus on MS/XD. After being administered a PRP injection, he can swing at 60%-70% only on his FH as it still hurts when swinging at 100%.

CCY, bothered by chronic cervical herniated disc, has recovered 70% and will pair with the 18-year-old Kao Cheng-Jui instead in MD.

https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/4304543
https://tsna.com/article/72246
Viscaria FL - 91g
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kaitenNashi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 4:55am
Polcanova knocked out by Dora Madarasz in round one after being up 3-1. Nearly came back from a 2-7 deficit in the decider but it was not enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 4:55am
First seeded player out. Polcanova 3-4 Madarasz.
Winter gonna reach the QF now? What a waste of the good draw.

Lambiet 0-4 N Alamiyan
Proof that the FH is redundant in the 21st century table tennis?

AJH 1-4 Pistej
That service fault at 8:7 of G3 turned it upside down. Second first round exit for AJH after WTTC 2021. This loss looks really ugly.

Edited by zeio - 05/20/2023 at 5:37am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Hot between Wang Yang and Gonzalez.

The last game was not hot :))
Not sure that Takahashi can play defenders...In the fist game, she played bad....not even bad, shuh Hyowoon didn't need to do anything.


Edited by kakapo - 05/20/2023 at 6:04am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 6:20am
Omar Assar 1-3 -> 4-3 Alberto Mino

Edited by zeio - 05/20/2023 at 6:44am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Omar with the nice 1-3 comeback, and looks like Lily is gonna lose to another chopper yet again
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote liulin04 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 6:51am
lily is getting f**ked in the butt by Linda with her paddle.  Poor girl needs to train exclusively with a chopper for the next few months.
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All 5 choppers will be in the second round.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote liulin04 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 7:05am
I'm liking this Alfred Dela Pena kid against Liang.  He's performing much better than I expected.
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Kao Cheng-Jui/CCY 1-3 Lebrun^2

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Still haven't isolated the root cause of pain, LYJ has decided to withdraw from MD and focus on MS/XD. After being administered a PRP injection, he can swing at 60%-70% only on his FH as it still hurts when swinging at 100%.

CCY, bothered by chronic cervical herniated disc, has recovered 70% and will pair with the 18-year-old Kao Cheng-Jui instead in MD.

https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/4304543
https://tsna.com/article/72246
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote liulin04 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 8:04am
Damn, Yoshimura didn't have to finish the second set point like that against Luu.  That was merciless

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2023 at 8:12am
DO 1-3 -> 4-3 Akkuzu
G5 15, 85, 86, 106, 108, 118
G6 79, 119
G7 62, 63, 113

Mladenovic/Ni Xia Lian 2-1 -> 2-3 Gnanasekaran/Batra

Edited by zeio - 05/20/2023 at 9:53am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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