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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Has Wang Chuqin secured his Olympics singles spot with this performance? Or would Ma Long still go?

I think Wang has made it more likely for sure.  And I think Liang has done himself a huge credit as well.  But for all things over a year away, things can happen that no one can predict.  I couldn't find a World Cup on the calendar this year.  I don't understand how to read the WTT schedule.
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Oh, that Tieba thread about WH is actually a meme thread poking fun at those who grilled WH for all the losses in commercial events, AKA WTT.

Here's actually what he said. Very humble. LJK beating Harimoto has left him the most impression.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

That's an interesting parallel given that Ma Long got a bronze losing to Wang Hao (who got the spot) and Wang Chuqin beat Ma Long, who you would give the spot.  In fact the parallel makes no sense.
You read too quick. What I wrote implied that Wang should get the 2nd spot.
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

That's an interesting parallel given that Ma Long got a bronze losing to Wang Hao (who got the spot) and Wang Chuqin beat Ma Long, who you would give the spot.  In fact the parallel makes no sense.
You read too quick. What I wrote implied that Wang should get the 2nd spot.

Nah, my point is that bad parallel to support a good conclusion doesn't make the parallel better.  Ma Long lost to Wang Hao in 2011 so he didn't get the spot in 2012.  Wang Chuqin not getting the spot in 2024 after beating Ma Long in 2023 would *not* be a parallel.  You are implying that Ma Long should have gotten the spot in 2012, but that had nothing to do with Ma Long's performance at the World Championships (below Wang Hao) or his ranking (below Wang Hao at the time of the nomination).  In fact, Ma Long was higher rated than maybe Zhang Jike, though that changed briefly later in the year after the World Cup.  But that would not be a parallel here because Zhang Jike was World Champ and Ma Long isn't now.
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I just meant it felt unfair to many people that ML did not get a spot in MS in London and it would feel as much unfair to many today if WCQ did got get one in Paris next year, that was the parallel and of course one can always find a way to invalid anything and that's okay.
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I just meant it felt unfair to many people that ML did not get a spot in MS in London and it would feel as much unfair to many today if WCQ did got get one in Paris next year, that was the parallel and of course one can always find a way to invalid anything and that's okay.

Ah okay, I didn't think qualifying was primarily about how people felt, but it's okay, at least you have made how you feel clear and I understand you better now.  China had set a precedent of sending World Champions to the Olympics and Ma Long didn't meet the standard at the time, though it was partly because they reduced the number of spots available.  I don't think it was unfair for ML not to go given that the players that went were players that did better than him at the WTTC in 2011.  I think however you feel about that, that is very different from ML being selected over players who actually beat him at the WTTC (Wang Chuqin) in this case.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Has Wang Chuqin secured his Olympics singles spot with this performance? Or would Ma Long still go?
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think Wang has made it more likely for sure.  And I think Liang has done himself a huge credit as well.  But for all things over a year away, things can happen that no one can predict.  I couldn't find a World Cup on the calendar this year.  I don't understand how to read the WTT schedule.
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I just meant it felt unfair to many people that ML did not get a spot in MS in London and it would feel as much unfair to many today if WCQ did got get one in Paris next year, that was the parallel and of course one can always find a way to invalid anything and that's okay.

Just in case you missed it, Paris Olympics Singles Spots for the CNT will go to the top 2 players in Olympic Points from designated competitions from May 8, 2023 to May 7, 2024. Singles players for Paris 2024 aren't chosen by coaches discretion anymore.

WCQ did himself a favor by beating ML in the 2023 WTTC, which puts him ahead in the Olympic Points Race for 1 of the 2 singles spots. Theoretically however, ML can still catch up. 

You can follow the CNT Paris Olympic Singles Race thread for more details and updates.
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