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Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments.
IMO It's hard enough to assess levels of talent between men and women, and this is a man and a 10 year old girl.


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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments.
IMO It's hard enough to assess levels of talent between men and women, and this is a man and a 10 year old girl.



You're correct, I should specified for their own gender of course. This girl could just go nowhere. 
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Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments.

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Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Since 2019 IMPLIED 2019. His last was WJC 2019. Can you read yourself???. Don't act all high and mighty online.

Would I mean 2018 when I wrote 2019?

Gotta quote this one for future generations. By your definition, the ITTF didn't exist in 1926 and the WTTC didn't exist in 1926. Montagu must be rolling in his grave. You're hilarious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Table_Tennis_Federation
Quote The ITTF is responsible for the organization of numerous international competitions, including the World Table Tennis Championships that has continued since 1926.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Table_Tennis_Championships
Quote The World Championships have been held since 1926, biennially since 1957.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Since 2019 IMPLIED 2019. His last was WJC 2019. Can you read yourself???. Don't act all high and mighty online.

Would I mean 2018 when I wrote 2019?

Gotta quote this one for future generations. By your definition, the ITTF didn't exist in 1926 and the WTTC didn't exist in 1926. Montagu must be rolling in his grave. You're hilarious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Table_Tennis_Federation
Quote The ITTF is responsible for the organization of numerous international competitions, including the World Table Tennis Championships that has continued since 1926.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Table_Tennis_Championships
Quote The World Championships have been held since 1926, biennially since 1957.

What are you even talking about? Moregard have not entered a WJC or Junior tournament since the WJC 2019. That was my point. Are you bad at English or what is the problem. I was not talking about WTTC or any other tournament. JUST THAT MOREGARD HAS NOT ENTERED A SINGLE WJC OR JUNIOR TOURNAMENT SINCE 2019. HE SKIPPED EYC AND WJC THIS YEAR. Zeio are you deliberately acting like a buffoon because people enjoy your posting?

EDIT: Mods do ban me if Im breaking rules right now. I just can't respect people who deliberately misinterpret things.


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Seriously? No one uses "since 2019" like that and then claim "since 2019 implied 2019" when the WJTTC 2019 was in late November. Anyone with a right mind would have used "since 2020", or better yet, "It's been 2 years since he last played in a junior event".

And as my first post stated, he signed up for World Youth Championships 2021. Thank table tennis god he withdrew.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Seriously? No one uses "since 2019" like that and then claim "since 2019 implied 2019" when the WJTTC 2019 was in late November. Anyone with a right mind would have used "since 2020", or better yet, "It's been 2 years since he last played in a junior event".

And as my first post stated, he signed up for World Youth Championships 2021. Thank table tennis god he withdrew.

So it was just a stupid argument about semantics. I'm sorry if I said anything mean. I agree it is good he withdrew. Have a nice day zeio.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Since 2019 IMPLIED 2019. His last was WJC 2019. Can you read yourself???. Don't act all high and mighty online.

Would I mean 2018 when I wrote 2019?

Gotta quote this one for future generations. By your definition, the ITTF didn't exist in 1926 and the WTTC didn't exist in 1926. Montagu must be rolling in his grave. You're hilarious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Table_Tennis_Federation
Quote The ITTF is responsible for the organization of numerous international competitions, including the World Table Tennis Championships that has continued since 1926.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Table_Tennis_Championships
Quote The World Championships have been held since 1926, biennially since 1957.


The sentence had a negation (hasn't competed ... since 2019) and was correct - just admit that you misread it and leave out the insults.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

The sentence had a negation (hasn't competed ... since 2019) and was correct - just admit that you misread it and leave out the insults.

Are you kidding me? Does "since 2019" mean the same as "since WJTTC 2019"?
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That might have been an oversight by me, but I am not sure I needed to get attacked for it. I will think about it in the future.
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It doesn't have anything to do with negation.

"Hasn't competed in junior event since 2019" means from January 1 to December 31, okay?
"Hasn't competed in junior event since WJTTC 2019" means from that event onward, got it?
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This has nothing do with months of the year.

"He hasn't played since 2019" means "He played in 2019 but not in 2020 or 2021."
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

This has nothing do with months of the year.

"He hasn't played since 2019" means "He played in 2019 but not in 2020 or 2021."

THANK YOU for understand something that simple. And to try and stay on topic once more. We talk about Lebrun, but there are players such as Iulian Chirita that are also looking decent. 2005-2006 crop is pretty good.
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments.


i'm sorry, but if that girl is beating fellow competition in the 13-15 age class, that is a really bad sign for the future of the swedish womens team. i see nothing really spectacular especially for the age 13-15 standard. 

though, to be fair, the swedish womens success has paled in comparison to the mens for a while. 
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by manwithabigmission manwithabigmission wrote:

Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments.


i'm sorry, but if that girl is beating fellow competition in the 13-15 age class, that is a really bad sign for the future of the swedish womens team. i see nothing really spectacular especially for the age 13-15 standard. 

though, to be fair, the swedish womens success has paled in comparison to the mens for a while. 

They're really weak so you're not wrong. Maybe it is more correct to say that she's a talent that is not actually weak or mediocre for once.
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In case folks feel I have something against European players, do check out my thread on European players and the impression(borderline superstition) of European players peaking later than their Asian counterparts.

I mean we've become too lenient with European players "peaking later" now when they're already in their mid-20s without achieving enough. I wrote that if Pitchford were to crack top 10, then he had to do it in 2019. He didn't and he's stuck now.

2021 Week #1 - 15 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 7768
2021 Week #48 - 14 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 5499

OTOH, Calderano is 25 and he's moved up to 4th in the world in the latest(Week #48) ranking. That's why I wrote "Forget the other ones over 20. They should be competing against the world's best by now and looking ready to replace "Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc."

These two have been in the top 10 for years now.
5 Harimoto, born Jun 27, 2003
7 LYJ, born Aug 17, 2001

These three should've been in the top 20 by now.
28 Jha, born Jun 19, 2000(like Calderano, not a European but he spends most of his time in Europe now)
31 Moregard, born Feb 16, 2002
93 Pletea, born May 28, 2000
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/03/2023 at 11:03am
Ever since WTTC 2021, Moregard has been a little less than impressive for much of 2022, except for WTT SCT ESS 2022 and WTT CS Macao 2022.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91109&PID=1138558&title=short-video-about-felix-lebrun#1138558


Quote The only young prospect from Europe worth keeping an eye on is Lebrun. Forget the other ones over 20. They should be competing against the world's best by now and looking ready to replace "Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc."
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

In case folks feel I have something against European players, do check out my thread on European players and the impression(borderline superstition) of European players peaking later than their Asian counterparts.

I mean we've become too lenient with European players "peaking later" now when they're already in their mid-20s without achieving enough. I wrote that if Pitchford were to crack top 10, then he had to do it in 2019. He didn't and he's stuck now.

2021 Week #1 - 15 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 7768
2021 Week #48 - 14 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 5499

OTOH, Calderano is 25 and he's moved up to 4th in the world in the latest(Week #48) ranking. That's why I wrote "Forget the other ones over 20. They should be competing against the world's best by now and looking ready to replace "Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc."

These two have been in the top 10 for years now.
5 Harimoto, born Jun 27, 2003
7 LYJ, born Aug 17, 2001

These three should've been in the top 20 by now.
28 Jha, born Jun 19, 2000(like Calderano, not a European but he spends most of his time in Europe now)
31 Moregard, born Feb 16, 2002
93 Pletea, born May 28, 2000

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Of the YOG 2018 generation, Jha and Pletea are falling behind, and CDS is catching up.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Of the YOG 2018 generation, Jha and Pletea are falling behind, and CDS is catching up.

Yeah, not playing for three months as part of a drug-testing suspension makes you fall behind.
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There's more than one way to define strength/level. Getting tested is part of a player's duty, just like keeping themselves healthy.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92471&PID=1134485&title=wtt-contender-nova-gorica-2022-10-3111-6#1134485
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WTT SCT ESS Doo 3-0 Grandma Ni
I wonder why she doesn't take a break.


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Quote It is with regret I had to withdraw due to injury in today's final
Congratulations to my venerable opponent Mima Ito for winning the title
Injuries have been haunting me since last year, and I have been through pain and suffering in training every day. This may be something that athletes must experience and face. Because of love, I insisted on playing five consecutive tournaments. In the end, the balloon finally burst. Maybe I really need to take a break. Learning to rest is also an important lesson. I hope that I will be a healthy and stronger version of myself in the next tournament. Thank you for your concern.
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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