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HELP: Dignics 09c vs Tenergy 05/64 |
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tommyzai 
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 Topic: HELP: Dignics 09c vs Tenergy 05/64Posted: 06/22/2021 at 4:29pm |
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I have a training partner (u2000) who has been using Tenergy 64 on FH and 05 on BH (yes, opposite of most players). He's looking for more control without sacrificing too much. Hi loop drives really well and is developing his over-the-table game. He's wondering if Dignics 09C would be a good replacement for his BH . . . or even FH.
Any thoughts? Much appreciated. Edited by tommyzai - 06/22/2021 at 4:30pm |
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Posted: 06/22/2021 at 7:41pm |
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If he is using 05 on his BH 09C could be good . It has excellent grip and a little higher throw with some added control. If he likes D64 on the FH 09c probably won’t work cause of the throw angle difference and feel. He could save some money and try PK50 or Rakza Z to see if he likes high throw, grippy hybrid rubbers. Then switch to 09c if necessary . IMO there isn’t a very large performance gap if any between 09c and tensor variants.
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blahness
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Posted: 06/23/2021 at 4:35am |
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Dignics 09c is a bit like boosted blue sponge H3 national... has a huge spin/speed ratio, but requires a lot of input power to get the beast going. The best part of the rubber is the short game control, and very high spin opening loops. But if you have limited body power it's very difficult to generate any significant pace on the ball with it. Very very different from T05 (I play both D09c and T05)
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Posted: 06/23/2021 at 6:00am |
This posting above is an excellent summary of the rubbers. The Tenergy series authors were never more precise than when they labeled the Tenergy sponge as "spring sponge," not a seasonal reference nor a small river-like flow of water but a metaphoric association with the phenomenon of a coiled spring which stores energy then quickly releases it outwardly. Dignics 09c is in the class of hard sponges, an equipment class that decidedly does not have the "spring" effect. This technology duality diversion is the fundamental inflection point for offensive players today. Of noteworthy significance is the continuing high usage of Tenergy among competitive players around the world. Enjoying the spring effect of Tenergy often is accompanied by a desire for "a little more control," as the authors of Tenergy made the strategic decision to place the attribute of control in a secondary status of importance. To satisfy both expressed interests, it is required to stay within the class of Tenergy types and explore either or both thinner sponge thicknesses and softer sponge versions such as the "FX" series provided by Butterfly. Thanks.
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tommyzai
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Posted: 06/24/2021 at 2:15am |
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With Tenergy being so successful, I wonder why Dignics was developed as opposed to releasing a new model of Tenergy.
BTW, many thanks for all the great posts. Edited by tommyzai - 06/24/2021 at 2:16am |
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Posted: 06/24/2021 at 9:39am |
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Replacing T05 w D05 makes more sense?
D09c is much more different from T05 and T64 than D05. But D09c is also a rubber much easier to adapt to than H3. |
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Posted: 06/24/2021 at 10:19am |
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I wonder why Dignics was developed as opposed to releasing a new model of Tenergy.
Hi, Since approximately forever in the modern era envy has been thick within the non-Chinese table tennis community around the world directed at the quality of shot of the Chinese offensive executions. Without interruption, public observations were put on display directly and proportionally associating this Chinese superiority to their rubber. [Two anecdotes: 1) Long ago I remember reading in Topics (the greatest table tennis magazine series ever published by the greatest table tennis journalist in history, Tim Boggan) a moment in which Danny Seemiller (at some time in some place) picked up a Chinese National Team members racket and hitting a few balls and exclaiming something like "It's so fast!" and 2) While coaching at the Werner Schlager Academy, during one of the visits by the Chinese National Team prior to a World Championships, I picked up the racket of Kong Linghui (who was no longer a player, but a coach of the Women's team) and hit a few balls with Ding Ning and I thought in that brief interlude "It's so fast!".] Among the public-statement speaking top European men (and coaches), the alternative explanations for the stroke production gap being better training and better technique and better physical conditioning found no home to live in. Also finding no casual affection was the notion of more technically-advanced blades. It had to be the rubber. Until recent times, China has lagged the Western world in technology deployment throughout their economy. [The real motivation behind Ping Pong Diplomacy was the Chinese recognition of the agricultural requirement to feed their exploding-upward population via the employment of German chemist Fritz Haber's-based synthetic fertilizer production facilities. At the time, the U.S. led the world in this technology. The first commercial contract signed between the U.S. companies and the Chinese national government post-Ping Pong Diplomacy was to build 11 fertilizer plants in China.] Due to this lag, for their table tennis rubbers the Chinese featured the material use of real rubber from the rubber tree (this contrasting the emerging Japanese development of "synthetic rubber," its head rising with the release of Butterfly's Sriver.) Face to face, mano a mano, the Chinese natural rubbers were inferior in playing qualities to the more advanced products of the Japanese. As this would never be allowed to stand, the Chinese explored doctoring their rubbers with performance-enhancing liquids. The chemically-based experimental outcome bestowed upon their rubbers (both sponge and topsheet) unique qualities that, upon proper deployment by the proper technique, produced a differential. As is so often the case, the Western-style economies' entrepreneurs would not stand for this differential. As the primary qualities of Chinese-style inverted rubber are an elastic topsheet and a hard sponge, the resolution is in replication. Hence, Dignics. Thanks.
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Posted: 06/24/2021 at 2:53pm |
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Your observations are very interesting.
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