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    Posted: 07/28/2021 at 3:14pm
Hi!! I have a club member who is re-evaluating his racket. He's looking for the best inverted modern defender/chopping rubbers. He's been out of action for a year due to back surgery, but he's back and playing around 1500 level. He plays close to mid distance . . . not way back. I suggested 1.8 to 2.0 in thickness, but not sure about rubber.

Any suggestions? 

Butterfly Tackiness Chop II?

Victas VS>401?




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From my limited experience in forehand chopping, I found that playing with 2.1 mm 36° classic rubbers (The Eastfield A Soft and Palio CJ8000) worked fine. They required careful work to not chop too high but they had good control and enough backspin. Very nice for blocking as well. I learnt to chop on them and now use long pips on my backhand. I find chopping with the very hard and tacky Chinese rubbers very difficult. 

I haven’t tried the other two rubbers you have mentioned, but from what I have read on the various forums, they work very nicely for chopping, especially the Victas VS 401. I believe they are ‘half tacky’ and have good spin and control, but I have read that people also have difficulty playing topspin with them. A cheaper alternative to the Tackiness Chop (I have read) is the Spinlord Marder. 

From what I understand, the lower the thickness, the easier to chop. 1.8mm is often suggested. Some skilled choppers use tensors in 1.8mm thickness to chop and attack.

Bear in mind as well, the better a rubber is for chopping, often the worse it is for looping and attacking. ‘Good’ rubbers for chopping are often slow, have a very hard/very soft sponge, depending on preference (soft sponges are slow and hard sponges absorb speed well) and are quite low throw (to keep chops low) and are thus difficult for looping, while ‘good’ rubbers for attacking are often much too fast/bouncy or hard sponged for a learning chopper. So if your guy wants to be modern defender, then that should be considered as well.

I’m sorry I can’t give a definitive answer, but both those rubbers are respected chopping rubbers on the forums, especially the Victas rubber. 


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if he wants to chop and chop only, then victas vs401 with a slow short pips on backhand, something like tsp spinpips Chop II in 1.0mm

I tried everything possible from Off++ attacker to def- on table defender and I really liked the short pips chops on the table so I'm gonna recommend you that.
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What's 'best' supposed to mean?

Anyways, the VICTAS is great for all levels of play, but for lower levels 1.4 mm is better, because the rubber won't bottom out anyway.
Too many options for pips though.

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Hi I'm not a professional but I play lots of different kinds of players in different places. They have different equipment and styles. I conclusion that thick smooth and sticky rubber. Soft sponge or medium soft sponge is a very importance.  If you use thin sponge, the big ball will hit the wood. Too fast for chopping. Also sticky rubber will control the spin. This is my observation thank you.
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Hi Tommy
I have tried chopping; a very intensive physical style.  Has he considered a blocking style will allow closer to table action easier to adopt with frictionless LPs.  If you are starting all over with a new style, try a medium pip on the backhand that will allow both blocking and chopping like Neubauer aggressor.

If you insist on chopping, I found feint long 3 and feint soft were the easiest to learn to chop with, and thinner sponge easier to chop in general.


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