I got owned at the Brisbane Open today

Hilarious tread this, if you ask me

Rob, you know I like you a lot and treasure you as a friend on the web, but I must admit, I have read post from you (several times) where you have made statements about facing Tenergy players who couldn t handle the spin you created with the Roxon, how you have eliminated every Tenergy player you have ever faced and I think you said that you never lost to some one using Tenergy. All this is fine by me, as long as you don t think you did beat them because you used Roxon or because they used Tenergy. If you beat them, you did beat them because you were the better player.

Boz, you have made several claims about Tenergy being the best rubber out there and that no other rubber can generate the same amount of spin. While I agree with this, as it is exactly how I feels, I know that Tenergy might not be for every one, some people might actually be able to get more spin from Roxon then they ever could with Tenergy. I know, it sounds very strange for Tenergy players like us, but it is the truth as I ve seen people load more spin with Mark V (UNGLUED!) then they could with Tenergy.

So equipment don t make or break the player, but finding equipment we are comfortable with is important but the equipment might be different for all of us.

Kind of funny that basis stuff like this needs to be told to two such advanced players as Bob and Rob.

Speedplay wrote: Hilarious tread this, if you ask me Rob, you know I like you a lot and treasure you as a friend on the web, but I must admit, I have read post from you (several times) where you have made statements about facing Tenergy players who couldn t handle the spin you created with the Roxon, how you have eliminated every Tenergy player you have ever faced and I think you said that you never lost to some one using Tenergy. All this is fine by me, as long as you don t think you did beat them because you used Roxon or because they used Tenergy. If you beat them, you did beat them because you were the better player.

I will make the Point at my level. I m sure there are plenty of people above me that would beat me with Tenergy or with a cheap 729 rubber.

bozbrisvegas wrote: Speedplay, I know what you are saying, but if you look at what this thread was meant to be about? I did not mention tenergy. This is not a tenergy vs tensor thread

Yes you are right for once, but you did mention in invisible ink what William was using - did you not.

And most people call Tenergy BTY first true tensor, so my claim still stands.

And yes we dont want you to give up the sport because of a bad loss at one tournament.

pingpongrob wrote: Speedplay wrote: Hilarious tread this, if you ask me Rob, you know I like you a lot and treasure you as a friend on the web, but I must admit, I have read post from you (several times) where you have made statements about facing Tenergy players who couldn t handle the spin you created with the Roxon, how you have eliminated every Tenergy player you have ever faced and I think you said that you never lost to some one using Tenergy. All this is fine by me, as long as you don t think you did beat them because you used Roxon or because they used Tenergy. If you beat them, you did beat them because you were the better player. I will make the Point at my level. I m sure there are plenty of people above me that would beat me with Tenergy or with a cheap 729 rubber.

Rob, if there are players at your level who uses Tenergy, then I m sure some of them would beat you while you would beat some of them. If not, then they simply are not of your level. Equipment don t win or lose you matches, it is how you use that equipment.

bozbrisvegas wrote: I am right for the first time thanks rob, Yes this is not the first time you have chosen to read into things, but TENERGY IS NOT BUTTERFLY S FIRST TENSOR SORRY! and let s go with your wonderful personal statements now to attack me

Would be strange if Tenergy was BTY s first Tensor, since Tenergy isn t a Tensor at all, the way I understand it...

bozbrisvegas wrote: tensor is just a name Rob. high tension is the butterfly concept thats been around for a whie dont be starting some butterfly stole esn tension myth because it isn t going to stick. look this thread has been destroyed now Rob. Why can t you get the idea that this thread was meant to be about how much I hate competition? And that I just lost to Australia s best player today? Are you trying to steal my moment of glory? LOL He killed me man, I am happy I lost to him with out losing my pants!

Perhaps confusing me and Rob here? Since I was the one who made the Tensor remark.

Any way, it would be fun to watch a video of your game vs Henzellm even though it might have been one sided. Then again, who amongst us would be able to actually challenge William?

Would probably enjoy watching you against the LP player more, unless it was a close to the table blocker, which I seem to remember it was? I hate to play those players, not because it is very hard to do it but because it is boring! They bring no joy to the table and if I stick to my game plan, I know I beat them (if they are rated at my level) but still I lose to a lot of them since I find it to be to boring to play them the way I know will land me the win.

bozbrisvegas wrote: I can assure you Speedplay he made me look like I couldn t play.

I can only imagine. When I was really new to the game, I thought it would be fun to play a top player just to see how bad he could beat me. Then I got to play a player, far from a top player, but who could beat me just as bad as he liked. Not fun at all, not even as a learning experience since he was so much better then me, I couldn t even learn something as I failed to see what exactly he did that made him so superior... Still would have been nice to play Henzell! I know one thing, if I scored even one single point against him, my Ouzza would have beaten his when it came to volume

speedplay that osssaa part was funny man.

I actually won 1-5 points every game. I think one game with 1:11 one 5:11 and the others around 3:11

I was told that, I didn t get the score board.

APW I totally did not expect anything, but I am happy he didn t pants me.

I respected one thing in particular about him, he did not lower his game for anyone. He played his game with full seriousness for every player he played. I think only in the final did anyone get a game off him.

Anyway I have a lot of this on video, which I hope to upload to youtube.

http://tenergy05.com/rubbers/aussie-table-tennis-william-henzell-tenergy-05

it s midnight here in australia so I will start a post about playing him in particular with this embedded here if I could be bothered, I copped so much negative stuff already from Rob. Yes Rob thanks for the idea to put Tenergy promotional stuff into the video! Cheers and goodnight.

I never felt I knew where the ball was, and I always felt he knew where I thought the ball would be and moved it away from me or into me awkwardly that I just couldnt contact the ball.

I will write a big article about this because he is the highest level player I will ever play in my life, and there is much to learn, believe it or not.

There was tons to take home from that. And he is nothing like your average top 100 chinese 3rd ball attacker.

I removed (edited) all service return errors except a few, his serves are incredibly strong.

bozbrisvegas wrote: I don t get much fun out of competition unless I win. I do however have lots of fun not playing comp but just playing points out with a good mate.

That is cool too.  Table tennis as zen archery.  I do a lot of that myself.  Keeps you fit, keeps your mind sharp, keeps the dementia away.  No negative thoughts.  Keeps you in touch with your athletic self.  Whatever it is that you do, you should be happy with it. Just know that if you sustain an injury that keeps you away from playing for awhile, you will go nuts.

Thanks for the break down. You are very right to some degree.

But I don t know if you have seen him play any one else?

Everybody knows his backhand is almost a sure finsih of point. I was trying not to go there but my own years of play habitually does. I was trying to go to his forehand which even though is excellent is not anywhere near as good as his backhand.

Next I was trying my hardest actually to his elbow slightly on the fh side of it. Because he would still use the backhand if he had to move an inch.

As for not having a forehand that is a bit harsh, I did miss more than usual but it was not my comfortable haveing fun relaxed situation, self consciousness didnt help.

He did not give me anything near my forehand zone in serve that was long enough to use a forehand. Backhand flicking for me is an easy option especially the way the ball curves.

Anyway thanks for the feedback - but I doubt you would have produced a forehand either. No offense, I am just guessing your level is not anywhere near his. Is that right? In which case he would shut you down just as he did me and everybody else that played that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhFcNLLu7M in this video everybody can better understand how good is henzell

No piss

Most people know my forehand is pretty average. But the weird thing is, I have never really watched him play before that day. I never thought there was anything special about his style to study. But after watching him live and against myself I was blown away by many things.

A few people said that we actually have similar styles. Don t get me wrong, I don t have his level.

As for shutting up, he is not the reason I want to quit competition.

I set goals for myself a few years back. I wanted to get into the top level of the club, I did that for over a year. I wanted to go to a Queensland s state competition, I did that. I even wanted to play a world class player (for fun) I have now done that too.

My last goal which I think I have given up on (because I am not motivated enough to implement the strategy required) to get the random number of 2000 ranking points (aussie ranking)

I have replaced this goal to a much deeper one. I want to make sure I don t give up the sport all together. I have tiny little points of that appearing, so have decided to find as soon as possible:

1. How to enjoy the sport
(competition brings stress an almost sickly feeling)

I think to enjoy the sport I need to still play points and games but not matches and try to never play any point any different to any other point on the basis of which stage of the game it is.

The other way to enjoy the sport is to make sure I am trying new things.

Last night I went in with my tenergy 05 on one side of my new love timo boll spirt, but on the other side!

I used Joola "topspin" like chopper in a 1.2 sponge. I did bad chops, tried to beat people with pushes and fishing away from the table. It was fun, better than using pimples for me because they cut down my choices too much. btw it made the blade weight perfect because the rubber weighs about 20 grams lighter than 05 2.1

I don t think I have ever really at the time of any match, and just prior really felt like deep down inside Yay I can t wait to play or this is so much fun.

I have been "playing the sport" for almost 7 years. And yet if anyone asks me what is your hobby or interest or what are mad about I always say table tennis!

Weird huh? Competition is 2 edged sword for me in particular. Of course everyone enjoys winning, and I am thoroughly happy to beat someone I have never beaten before. I think the happiness comes post match when I sit down and feel a bit of yea I played well. Not he made all the mistakes.

The other side of enjoying table tennis is just going into the club and playing whoever and playing points. I just actually enjoy the moment, I serve incredibly well, because I feel totally clear and free, I swing and everything feels totally in the zone.

the other problem is if I stop competition - stop variety of players - stop broadening my skills - and I dont think I want to accept dropping in a skill. I don t mind as much dropping in ranking and divisons.