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Topic: Timo Boll using Primorac Carbon now
Posted By: jpenmaster
Subject: Timo Boll using Primorac Carbon now
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 8:35am
I find it interesting Timo can switch from his Timo Boll ALC to Primorac Carbon without really effecting his play. Pros are amazing.



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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 9:04am
Anybody can do that.... it just shows how irrelevant equipment is to the game.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 9:50am
The PC is a tad faster and as he is aging, his choice is probably to keep up with the younger studs putting less force into his strokes while he compensates with 20+ years in the top 10 that gave him enough touch and knowledge.

Are the 2 blades that much apart anyway? I imagine a 93gr ALC not much slower if any than a 82gr PC for example. The differences in dwell, flex and bounciness can't be high enough to matter. Maybe that's what he is after: lighter without losing speed and feedback. The softer cypress outer may suit his feel better too.



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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 10:16am
He also switched to a slower rubber a while ago, 09C.


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 11:28am
I think you guys are putting too much science into it.
he just tried the blade, it felt nice, he made the change.

the same basic procedure any ej from mytabletennis would follow LOL

in theory this is him writing
https://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=1969&page=1322


Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 11:55am
Those are two totally different blades. I play with a Boll ALC and Primorac Carbon would be the last option if I decided to go to something faster.
There are tons of blades faster than Boll ALC that I would like to try first: Apolonia ZLC, Zhang SZLC, Andro Treiber Off, Nittaku Barwell Fleet, and many more.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 12:02pm
I think Boll should tried the ZJK szlc next. Welcome Boll to the fun EJ world.

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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

I think you guys are putting too much science into it.
he just tried the blade, it felt nice, he made the change.

the same basic procedure any ej from mytabletennis would follow LOL

in theory this is him writing
https://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=1969&page=1322


That is him writing. And he writes that when his body is back to 100% he may switch back to ALC because it gives him more options.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

I think you guys are putting too much science into it.
he just tried the blade, it felt nice, he made the change.

the same basic procedure any ej from mytabletennis would follow LOL

in theory this is him writing
https://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=1969&page=1322


That is him writing. And he writes that when his body is back to 100% he may switch back to ALC because it gives him more options.
He might keep using it as well. Who knows.


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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 7:04pm
If you can control the serve receive with PC, it is the best in the open rally haha...

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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

That is him writing. And he writes that when his body is back to 100% he may switch back to ALC because it gives him more options.
He might keep using it as well. Who knows.


His body might never be back to 100% - he's 40 now, after all.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

He also switched to a slower rubber a while ago, 09C.

This.


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Those are two totally different blades. I play with a Boll ALC and Primorac Carbon would be the last option if I decided to go to something faster.
There are tons of blades faster than Boll ALC that I would like to try first: Apolonia ZLC, Zhang SZLC, Andro Treiber Off, Nittaku Barwell Fleet, and many more.



He is on contract with Butterfly


Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Those are two totally different blades. I play with a Boll ALC and Primorac Carbon would be the last option if I decided to go to something faster.
There are tons of blades faster than Boll ALC that I would like to try first: Apolonia ZLC, Zhang SZLC, Andro Treiber Off, Nittaku Barwell Fleet, and many more.

He is on contract with Butterfly
Yes, I know that. Those I list would be my options.
Anyway, within BTY range there are many blades faster then Boll ALC, but he went directly to the fastest of them all. That I found a radical change.


Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 10:07pm
Maybe e does not want to change blade every 2~3 years,............

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Those are two totally different blades. I play with a Boll ALC and Primorac Carbon would be the last option if I decided to go to something faster.
There are tons of blades faster than Boll ALC that I would like to try first: Apolonia ZLC, Zhang SZLC, Andro Treiber Off, Nittaku Barwell Fleet, and many more.

He is on contract with Butterfly
Yes, I know that. Those I list would be my options.
Anyway, within BTY range there are many blades faster then Boll ALC, but he went directly to the fastest of them all. That I found a radical change.


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 11:10pm
So the strategy is: slower but spinnier rubber called for a faster blade offering less options but maintaining speed and spin to keep up with the rest of the pack?
His body aches might be bluffing because even very healthy, it would not be a bad strategy with age piling on.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/14/2021 at 11:24pm
Guys at his level are not like us.  

Plus maybe he found a slower one than usual.  Also, as already mentioned, slowevrubber.


Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 12:52am
In the german forum he told us, that he switched to the Primorac Carbon (for the moment) because of health problems (not enough power) after playing against Jonathan Groth in the Champions League Semi Finale, who has also switched to Primorac Carbon some times ago.

Timo noticed, that he received Jonathan`s attacks with much more power than usual. So he thought, that it could be a good idea to try this too and liked it. But like mentioned here before, he also told that he has much more options with his usual ALC and that he plans to switch bak to the ALC if his health problems are gone.

I do not think, that he means that he generally has not enough power because of his age. Like several times in the last years he has pain in his back and therefore he is not able to play with full body power. So he tries to get more power out of his racket.



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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 1:15am
I'm each time amazed reading how many people rely on the handle only to determine which blade a pro is currently using.



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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 3:29am
I know what you mean, but in this case it is a fact. Timo is registered on http://tt-news.de" rel="nofollow - tt-news.de  and he wrote himself that he switched to Primorac Carbon for the moment. Why should he play with a Boll ALC with Primorac Carbon handle ??? In his posts in the german forum he wrote, that he finds the handle of Primorac carbon to be "at the limit (too thick)". That means, that he prefers his personalised Boll ALC handle. In my eyes he clearly explained WHY he actually switched to the PC and he also says that he plans to switch back to the ALC, when his health problems are gone.

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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 4:03am
in this video timo says why he prefers boll alc over primorac carbon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 10:06am
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

in this video timo says why he prefers boll alc over primorac carbon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE
That was three years ago.

I guess that a lot of unplayable fast blades might be  appreciated and used in the future.

Next, Sardius? Xiom Axelo?


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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 11:43am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

in this video timo says why he prefers boll alc over primorac carbon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiMy8vtylE
That was three years ago.

I guess that a lot of unplayable fast blades might be  appreciated and used in the future.

Next, Sardius? Xiom Axelo?

don't forget the female equivalent of timo LOL petrissa solja..... 

-also the best player in the german team (except female)
-also left handed
-also played with a blade similar to primorac carbon (the joola rosskopf force)

I think now she's using something similar to a "butterfly amultart".
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another important point is being left handed.
left handed players naturally play closer to the table more counter attack style.
the lower throw of primorac carbon is perfect for this.... (remember solja, timo, groth are all left handed).

for a right handed player the low throw of primorac carbon might be a bit more uncomfortable since they are forced to go a bit farther from the table which means they use the higher curve of alc.

but this is for bundesliga level.... for amateur level it doesn't really make any difference.

even koki niwa used hinoki carbon (amultart) some years ago...yet another left handed with hinoki carbon.


Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I'm each time amazed reading how many people rely on the handle only to determine which blade a pro is currently using.


post wins thread.


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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 2:36pm
I created the post and never mentioned anything about handles. The picture was just for reference. Timo himself is the one who said he switched to PC.

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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I'm each time amazed reading how many people rely on the handle only to determine which blade a pro is currently using.


post wins thread.

No, post was irrelevant for this thread.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 5:04pm
Anybody amazed like me at Timo's connection with his fan base? I mean what a class act!

I never watched a world top player apart from Chen Weixing playing Liang Jishan in Bellevue, WA and Houston is my best bet. I hope Timo will be there, there is nobody I'd like to watch playing live more than him.



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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 5:26pm
Machado former top100, and probably our best spanish player, played for decades with Primorac Carbon. In fact he still keeps using it but he's no longer at the international stage though. I wouldn't call it unplayable, maybe a blade not "amateur friendly"

Its curious PC is no longer popular nowadays in the same way Viscaria wasn't too in the past and PC was one of the most desired on speed glue era.
 


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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 5:29pm
Timo boll hinoki carbon/alc/zlc will be the new series of blades?
Hinoki is the best !


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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Anybody amazed like me at Timo's connection with his fan base? I mean what a class act!


He joined that German forum 20 years ago and keeps writing there occasionally. Of course in recent times he's also been trying to build a following for his "webcoach" and YouTube channels, so answering equipment questions makes sense.

He's friends with Dirk Nowitzki and has been to Texas before.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/15/2021 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by Robin.w Robin.w wrote:

Timo boll hinoki carbon/alc/zlc will be the new series of blades?
Hinoki is the best !
yes, the Amultart construction was never associated with a famous name, the KLH special is the closest that was named after a star. That one with ZLC instead of ALC would be a slower Amultart and with Timo's name on it, I bet it would do very well commercially.

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Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 1:23pm
Omar Assar also ditched the BTY blade named after him and starts using Timo Boll ALC ST, 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTlW_yCPZE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTlW_yCPZE , look at 4:18 you see it clearly.


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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 1:39pm
might be testing PC in tb handle? 

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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 2:14pm
This Omar match is old, he is playing in France this season. When in Bundesliga, before his blade release, he indeed used TB ALC.

But in last matches he was using Harimoto, not his personal Blade.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 5:19pm
Zhang Jike went one better and never used any of the blades named after him.


Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 5:35pm
Zhang Jike waited till he retired to use his own blade LOL



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Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 9:50pm
Omar Assar was using the XL FL version of the Omar Assar blade when it first came out and was talking about how XL FL handle fits his big hand well.

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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/16/2021 at 10:44pm
 Just watched Timo’s game using Pc. The forehand topspin improves a lot and has obvious acceleration after bounce on the table.  It’s on Timo’s YouTube channel.

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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/18/2021 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by Robin.w Robin.w wrote:

 Just watched Timo’s game using Pc. The forehand topspin improves a lot and has obvious acceleration after bounce on the table.  It’s on Timo’s YouTube channel.

Which match did watch?


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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/18/2021 at 6:13pm
https://youtu.be/yMekiOzaTeU" rel="nofollow -  https://youtu.be/yMekiOzaTeU
Timo Boll ‘s vlog 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/18/2021 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by Robin.w Robin.w wrote:

https://youtu.be/yMekiOzaTeU" rel="nofollow -  https://youtu.be/yMekiOzaTeU
Timo Boll ‘s vlog 
I liked that moment. thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/18/2021 at 11:14pm
He used TB alc in the final againse HUgo:

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/19/2021 at 9:26am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

He used TB alc in the final againse HUgo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WUfmnayHM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WUfmnayHM

My mistake. This is from the 2021 Germany cup in January 2021. At the time Boll has not used PC yet.


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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/19/2021 at 8:36pm
It might be a placebo but I think see his balls go faster. Could be the blade but it could also be Timo himself

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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 04/19/2021 at 8:51pm
It is both for sure. My guess is the Pc blade need Timo Boll to adjust his stroke

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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 04/22/2021 at 7:15pm
When I met Timo not so long time ago - I gave him my Primo Carbon for test. His 1st attempt into looping gone in the net. Next one go far of the table. I was laughing, but his blade was not slow. My 1st attempt also gone out of the table, that means something important that everybody must think about. The angle!!!!!!!!!!! It is connected with the angle of the muscle's loading.
When Timo changed the angle and made very good seria. Maybe he remember that experience and decided to repeat. Primo Carbon is not a blade for topspin, but you must only adjust the angle in your movements and it only looks like you are doing topspin. The contact with the ball with this blade is a way too minimal for heavy loops. So all the strategy now must be different.

Well, about equipment I could say everyone must play the fastest possible blade like Primo or Axelo and to upgrade his own possibilities on the table. Only a real master can play Primo Carbon OFF+. In that row of thoughts I think my own Primo Carbon ST 93 grams with metal tag will cost soon something between Rolls and Ferrari. Best offer always wins :) For those who is able to give me his Porsche I can give him my Axelo ST which is also excellent blade. :))


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/24/2021 at 12:56pm
When I met Waldner back in the days and I was using my special tuning he thought my spin was awesome and even Liu Guoliang on the side was impressed when he told Kong Linghui this is the real deal. Then my paddle slipped off my hand, fell on the floor and I woke up. LOL

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Posted By: KLHfans
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 5:23pm
I think Timo Boll uses the Primorac Carbon to win the Mens' Single title in the European Championship this year.  He beat Dimitrij Ovtcharov in the final.


Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 1:54pm
I saw that timo switched to primorac carbon and now it’s hard to find a primorac carbon ST for sale lol LOL

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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 6:36pm
Primorac Carbon ST. ?!?!? 
Meeeh....naaah
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