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sidofmillenium
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The harder a combo is, the less affected it is by opponent's variance. The hardest rubber would be the most compressed one. Are there any rubbers of those types?(since we seem to be going in the opposite direction.) Also, the hardest carbon is Diamond...pretty sure no 1 can afford that. If the weight is too much, the combo can be super thin. Anyways, its very easy to do these searches, but its tough to find a top 10 list of hardest carbon...Do we use any of these in table tennis? The Hardest Ironwood is Ipe. Maybe a 3 ply blade with thinnest rubber possible since its extremely dense will create a blade which gives no regard to spin/respect to momentum...and through design of the handle/adding an extremely thin layer of wood for feeling(5 ply)....this can be the most consistent baby on the planet :) (I m sick of my hitting a shot, then the ball's pressure changing my angle) I know it wont be fastest since it wont have spring effect the energy will be used to damage the ball...but for a hitter, he cannot ask for more :)
(I need for my consistent flat hits that I miss b/c my grip is not tight enough..and the pressure of the ball makes me change my angles...)
If you have nothing to offer but to criticize my ways, do not reply. Ofcourse, I appreciate an open minded constructive advice :)
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You have 1000 posts :)
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sidofmillenium
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Melarimsa, can you get any more stars through posting more?!
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sidofmillenium
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Nah, I am going to retire. I have seen that people here are less interested in having a mutual discussion but more interested in forcing their unwelcomed help to an excessive unhealthy limit. This forum used to be very classic. Where everyone respects one another. I feel there is no middle ground...either the moderators need to start being more strict or let them rule the flow of conversation.
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sidofmillenium
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Jokes aside,
Hardest rubbers:
Joola Xpress Xplode, Tibhar Nimbus VIP, Yasaka Pryde, Xiom rubbers, Andro High Numbers, and Donic Coppa Speed...now among these, which ones are hardest...I do not know.
Hardest Blades:
Help me out!
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because people here know a lot more than what you are saying especially if all of the well almost are either from repeated knowledge or you made conclusions with no tests or proof.. and yes if you cant get that through your thick skull that people do not welcome your posts because they are mostly moot, i dunno what will convince you to stop posting crap |
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sidofmillenium
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Yogi_bear, STOP garbaging my threads. Whatever issue you have with me, resolve it in "I, have changed." thread.
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Yogi's word of the day - thick skull
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hungga, not just that, a logic of a 5 yr old also.. i will conitinue to post against this troll who only wants attention and try to mislead newbies here about right information
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:). Just don't kill him, ok?
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yogi_bear
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i dont need to. im just fed up with his trolling the forums somebody has to scold him! i might be a little harsh i admit that but i have no choice. his posts have gone far enough that my concern is on people who new to table tennis might be misled by his posts and not try the actual proven and sound facts first
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sidofmillenium
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Keep it up Yogi_bear...I might have to get you demoted!
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yogi_bear
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says who you? keep it up and you will make yourself a laughing stock of this forum
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PROFIT
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Hard, fast racket is not an answer to your question and problems - in my opinion. The softer the rubber- the better chance to recover a mistake - (misreading spin and angle etc.) For a hard racket you need perfect mechanics - utilizing the wrist, forearm, shoulder, legs. And no mistake with the timing of the ball - hitting it only in the perfect tragectory. But on the other hand - a hard racket gives you less time of contact with the ball.
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sidofmillenium
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Have I not mentioned this before? I forget. Harder combo is less affected by opponent's momentum. So the strokes are more exact.
I think that may be better than harder combo is, when we have a soft outer ply, and inner harder ply, the blade vibrates less coz blade is absorbing the impact. Whereas a completely stiff blade may move in impact. Therefore, would the best solution be to have 1 ply hardest blade, and softest rubbers?
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PROFIT
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in general....IN GENERAL if your hand movement is so fast, that you overcome the spin of the opponents ball - then you can have this harder combo - stroke... BUT it is inpossible - i suppose you know how many revs per second has the ball - so imagine what speed and force will you need to "break" those forces and to act with your hand movement and direction and etc. Maybe i`m speaking a bit more of hand gesture and mechanics - but for me thereal problem is there, not in the racket. As before - have you tried a steel sheet racket? with 2 normal rubbers on it - then you have vibrationless racket, jumpy and very harsh sound....yet very heavy....
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sidofmillenium
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So you think I would need to have anti rubbers? I cannot find anti off+ though...
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PROFIT
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yeah, why not?! Super Anti or...Feint Long II or some of Dr. Neubauer`s rubbers....
Spin is what makes our sport so interesting and unpredictable and addictive and extreme - and differs it from tennis court....
and if you think a little - topspin is invented to oppose, to counterreact to the chop balls...
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sidofmillenium
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Does anyone know how I can remove friction from a normal rubber? I heard microwaving a long pip can make it frictionless and undetectable for tournaments. |
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mudr.nudl
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i am pretty sure that hardest rubbers now for Europe is Tibhar Nimbus VIP and Butterfly TENERGY 05...
in asia is really different rubbers which are harder than in europe - most popular in china is DHS Neo Hurrican III... that is all |
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sidofmillenium
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Tenergy 05 has 35 degrees of density. It is not hard. |
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Dafydd393
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WRONG! Tenergy is rated at 36 degrees.
You are also forgetting that there is not a univarsial scale for sponge hardness. 36 degrees for one company could be soft, where as for anouther it could be considerd very hard...
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i wrote what is true reality
not what is true bureaucracy you can believe catalogue or you can create a topic where experienced people help you - and you selected second choice |
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There is certainly an international scale for sponge hardness, maybe not a "universal" one since not all the companys use it (they should) :) |
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jokes aside, those rubbers are really jokes in terms of hardness. It reads "45 to 50" because IT IS ON A DIFFERENT SCALE as say, butterfly or DHS. A nimbus VIP isn't even close to the hardness of a sriver or 40 degrees h3. Not even close, one can easily tell from pressing the sponge with your own hand. If you still don't believe it, just get a durometer. Or ask someone who has one. Butterfly and DHS uses similar scale. I believe that butterfly is probably a degree higher than DHS at most. Haifu also has a similar scale to them. A sriver or h3 or bw2 is much harder than say, andro roxon 450, and still harder than andro roxon 500. I believe Haggisv has a sponge hardness table that will prove my claims. (I have tried the roxons and h3 and sriver) I believe the hardest playable rubber would therefore be some hard chinese sponge with a hard chinese topsheet. Definitely not anything on your list. |
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Over the last week he is averaging over 24 posts a day. Over last month average 7 posts a day. Wow. --- "Harder combo is less affected by opponent's momentum" this is complete horsesh!t. That depends on the players involved and level of skill. Also, define momentum please. What momentum are you speaking of? Also, the hardest combo will depend heavily on the blade as well as rubber. The hardest, stiffest combo will have a blade that is not flexible and has very hard outer layers and possible multiple layers of composite material. I for one would like to know how you come to your conclusions that you post as fact. Many of them, including this one, are strange and also written in a very strange style-- it is as if you are using a translator or something. Lastly, what is your rating? Usually people who post as much strange crap and theory that is way out in left field are not very highly rated table tennis players ( which isn't a big deal ... I for one am not a highly rated player and that doesn't stop me from posting frequently). Its just that I am having a hard time understanding what it is your are trying to achieve. You post so much about random and varied topics, that it just leaves me confused and frankly a little angry. It is as though you are trying to create a cult of personality here on a TT forum. Why are you posting almost 24 times a day? I am not trying to be a d!ck, but I am trying to understand, because as of right now, I am just very confused by you and each one of your 24 posts that clog up the first page of the forum... most of which would not help anyone who is serious about TT. |
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gekogark1212
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Anyone remember the old Ryu Seng Ming rubber Xiom Pro Z? That was a super spinny topsheet on a 50 degree sponge (chinese scale) that you couldn't press into.
Whether you could find it Sid, is another question. |
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are you a serious player?
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