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Anton Chigurh
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Posted: 12/17/2009 at 2:24pm |
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I'm curious about the differences between these two. If any of you have played with them, any info would be most appreciated. I humbly request that you be specific. Not, "Acoustic is better," or, "Violin is cool."
Thanks!
P.S. I use Chinese rubber on my forehand, usually Neo H3. Will these work with the Acoustic or Violin?
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+1 Would like a comparison too and hopefully with some common rubber. |
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Anton Chigurh
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For instance, I've heard that the Violin is slightly more flexy and the Acoustic is a bit stiffer.
I've also heard that the Acoustic is faster but the Violin has better feel.
Are these things I've heard correct?
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jonyer1980
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I�ve got both. Violin is way slower, stiffer and better feeling.
Acoustic has more flex, but much more power. Either can work fine with
chinese rubbers, but I would go for the Acoustic if you want to stick
with H3 NEO. Imo Violin is OK with Tenergy, but lacks of power with H3
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sunilid
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My impressions only:
Acoustic - better for looping from mid-distance, more power, softer, but not-as-good feel (or vibrations to hand) as Violin Violin - looping from close-to-table is very good, with a more forward stroke production can be quite powerful from mid-distance as well. Slower than Acoustic. I prefer it over Acoustic for counter-drives, hits and even blocks. Much/much better feeling than Acoustic. I find it excellent for over-the-table shots (flips, etc). |
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shij421
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I think Acoustic has amazing feel, best of all blades I've ever tried. I also use H3 on the forehand. It's very crisp, flexy, and great for looping.
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BMonkey
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I have an Acoustic FL and have tried Violins on various occasons. The Violin is harder and slower and has a different feel than the Acoustic and the Acoustic is faster, softer and better for looping IMO. I like the feeling from my Acoustic but I think it is a matter of comfort with the blade and understanding what the vibrations mean. Overall both blades are extremely well finished and don't have sharp edges around the blade/handle area. I think Acoustic would be better for the H3 Neo, though it depends on what degree you are playing with. Ma Long used an Acoustic for awhile with H3 on the forehand (back in the speedglue era).
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shij421
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If you like the handle, and non-composite blades, I don't think you will be disappointed with the Acoustic.
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holda
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I may have gone in a wrong direction,but I sold my Acoustic a while ago. I were to try this blade,I would also go for a 88-92 gr.blade . |
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BMonkey
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Ma Long's old blade (Notice the FL handle Sunilid )
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speaquinox
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I also think Acoustic has much better feel. It's unique. Violin on the other hand was more ordinary, can find similiar feel 5 ply wood blades.
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Makelele
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Anton, you read my mind...I was thinking about the same thing.
I haven't played with any of them, but for what I have read in some posts and my intuition about the whole picture, I would say: Acoustic: heavier,faster (may be not much), stiffer, thicker, softer, enough power for playing away from the table, lower throw than Violin. May be a Korbel "de luxe". Excellent for a looping/counter-looping game Violin: better feel,slower, lighter, more flexible,harder, great for playing close to the table,excellent for blocking,great for people who play with long pimples in the backhand,great for people who like to hit. Looping? Yes, close to the table, but less powerful than Acoustic away from the table. Let me tell you how I understand terms such as "flexible", "stiff","hard", and "soft". The opposite of flexibility is stiffness or rigidity. The opposite of softness is hardness and is related to the outer ply of the blade. So a blade can be flexible and hard or stiff and soft (or flexible and soft or stiff and hard) |
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tdragon
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The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.
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sunilid
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Ok, you're right BMonkey.
Though if I rememeber right, ST handle seems to be more common among the top-players, though not sure why.
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jkillashark
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Violin is made more for drive play hence the slightly harder feel. The Acoutic is made more for looping strokes hence the slightly softer feel allowing more dwell time. The Violin is slightly faster despite being much lighter (82g +/- vs 88g +/- for Acoustic).
I personally have more drive in my loop drive and found that the Violin works very well for me. |
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Makelele
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Violin faster than Acoustic? I always thought it was the other way round
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Anton Chigurh
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I'm very appreciative of everyone's input, but I'm almost sorry I asked! :-) I'm getting all sorts of contradictory info... Ha! I guess if I decide to pick one up I'll have to just flip a coin.
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i love both Acoustic & Violin....
both have unique feel, which i found is different than other 5 ply blades... Acoustic is slightly faster than Violin.... i am getting my 2nd Acoustic & Violin for Christmas... |
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Anton, if I were you, I would buy both of them, since both of them are unique and nice blade...
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I use Acoustic ST with H3 neo 2,1 on fh...in my opninon they match verry well...about Violin I don't know, I never owned or tested such a blade. But be careful, from my experience Acoustic may vary from 80 gr to 95...The one at 80 gr it's a off- blade...the one at 95 it's a off+. I personally like one between 85-87 gr...its stable and powerful enough and not crazy fast... The handle from acoustic it's generally verry small but you can find one with a normal size from a bigger shop...or the version with L-size handle
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Anton Chigurh
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To any of you who've tried both: Which blade vibrates more?
I like a very woody feel with a bit of vibration. If I could have a racquet that felt like a hardbat when I hit the ball then I'd be happy. :-) |
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That would be a good solution if the price wasn't so big... |
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shij421
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get the acoustic, u can blame me if you don't like it
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speaquinox
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I don't think I'm wrong or correct. We are talking about "feel" here, which is mostly personal in this case. You see there are many Acoustic fans and Violin fans here. Both are very good blades, that's for sure. I just prefer Acoustic. |
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Makelele
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For those of you who have tried both, with which one do you think is easier to loop? I am not talking about distance (it can be close or far from the table).I am talking about the act itself of looping...about having a better "bite", you know what I mean (I hope)
Ok,ok, I know that looping has to do with good technique and practice, not a blade. But let me for a second have a fantasy about a "magic pill" and think that equipment can make a big difference!! |
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