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chrispycritter1
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Posted: 01/23/2010 at 8:25pm |
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Does anyone have any experience using Tear Mender WB Latex cement for their blade?
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Reinecke
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yes.
(is that all you needed?) |
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chrispycritter1
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Would you please let me know your experience with using it? Is it a good or bad?
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Reinecke
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As far as gluing rubbers went I liked it. It bonded well but not so strong to be difficult to remove. The reason I stopped using it and switched to Elmer's Rubber Cement is because the Tear Mender had a short shelf life before it would become lumpy. There is a new formulation out now that has supposedly fixed that problem but I haven't tried it yet.
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With the elmer's rubber cement, did you thin it at all?
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Reinecke
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I don't, although lots of people do. I started playing table tennis after the VOC era, so I had never used any glue besides water based. The people that thin it may have been used to regular VOC glue before. I also heard that thinning it can cause the rubber to dome more.
I usually just spread it really fast before it dries, I haven't had problem yet. |
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Yes it's generally too thick, so thinner is recommeded. Most places that sell the glue also sell the thinners. |
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What problems arise from it being too thick? I have never had any trouble with the thickness.....
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the problem with thick glue:
it doesn't spread out properly and as a result it causes bumps on the sponge when it dries...it's a nightmare |
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Reinecke
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interesting....
Like I said though, I've never had problems. I never get lumps or anything when I glue. As long as you don't take too long to spread it I can't see how it would be an issue. I actually spread it very quickly because it does dry pretty fast. One thing I just realized, I get a pretty good build up of glue on my sponge (it is noticeably white) after about 4-5 times of gluing it on again, and I have trouble removing the build up. Could this be from the thicker glue? I actually have a recent topic about this build up issue. I wish I had some new rubber to test this theory on. |
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Make it thinner by adding some water. And use a fine sponge to distribute it evenly. Do not squeeze the glue directly onto the rubber' sponge.
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chrispycritter1
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I appreciate the feedback. This was my first post here. Reinecke, I saw the Roll Tide. Do you live in AL? I'm living up in Cherokee County. Nothing around here so I'm gonna' have to start something myself (League or club). Thanks again for the glue info.
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I happen to use rubber cement for the same reason as Reinecke: I bought TearMender but it dried after a while and I had a bottle of Elmer's lying around. I don't thin it either and I haven't had any bumps. It looks uneven right after I spread the cement onto the sponge and blade, but after I let it sit for about 10 min it evens out a lot. I think that's because the solvent evaporates during that time... |
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I got a Elmer's glue called (glue.all), is that any useful for rubbers? |
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I tried Elmers's Glue All,
it's not recommended for blades, for others yes, i used that one, it damaged when of my blades, when try to remove the glue, you will remove a part blade's layer also |
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The glue on the top ply is very strong, it looks like the top ply itself with nothing on top.. :( |
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Add some household ammonia back into Tear Mender will make it useable again.
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You don't have to thin rubber cement if you buy it in the metal can, usually a liter. Best place I've seen is office depot for $5.50.
If you buy the little brown jars they usually are already gloppy to start with.
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I usually add a little bit of n-Heptane (since thats whats used to thin it down from the factory) to a new bottle of Elmers rubber cement. Makes it easier to spread and apply. Also I feel when you apply thicker glue it make the sponge a little bumpy.
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If you add water to TearMender it should be distilled or at least demineralized (reverse osmosis). Salts in water can cause TearMender to coagulate. I doubt that adding ammonia to lumpy TearMender will fix anything. My understanding is that the small amount of ammonia that is in TearMender is there as a preservative. It is not a solvent. But ammonia is cheap. So if the bottle is unusable, give it a try. I just don't hold out much hope. I've never had a bottle of TearMender go bad, but I know a number of people who have. But then I end up doing more gluing of rubbers than most people. |
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My two cents:
Tear mender is just an OK solution IMHO. Works pretty well, but does not hold as well as Nittaku Finezip. TM dries quickly but it is quite runny. If you apply too thin and then accidentally go over it again, it will start to gum up on you. Once you have a decent technique down, it works well. TM removes very very easily, as long as there is enough of it to remove. I just don't feel it adheres well enough with my gluing technique. Finezip dries slowly and is thicker. Application is a no-brainer. Finezip is better in my opinion, extremely easy to use, adheres well (just like VOC glue), easy to remove. The only negative is that is is expensive in comparison to TM. $20 for 100ml. If your blade is super soft and prone to splintering then I would do a light (fine sand, tack cloth, one or two coats, let dry between coats and overnight) seal with a water based sealer like the Andro water seal. It won't affect blade performance massively and it WILL protect your blade. If your topsheet is pretty fine grain and strong like hinoki, then no need. Much easier to remove than regular VOC and most water based nightmares. Also, you could peel off your old rubbers, apply new ones between matches and no need to wait for prolonged dry time or clamping or book stacking. It works quickly once it has dried and the rubber is rolled on. To me, TM is just an OK glue, while Finezip is a REAL substitute for old school VOC. I will try the Haifu WSB, but not expecting it to outdo the Finezip. I should say that you must let it dry all the way like most water based glues. However TM works better if there is a bit of the glue still a bit wet and then press. Frankly, I just don't like it that much and would rather use Elmers RC than fool around with the TM. Those are my random thoughts about it. |
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Dauntless:
Please let me know how Haifu WSB compares to Nittaku Finezip. I'm a firm believer in Haifu glue; but, not wanting to be dogmatic, I'm always open to using better products. |
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Be happy to. I have used Andro Free, Yasaka Minozori, Tear Mender, Finezip.
Of these Finezip is the best. Once dried it really looks like a layer of rubber. And it peels as easy as tearmender, but no ammonia smell. |
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