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razortt ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 504 |
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Totoro ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/14/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1275 |
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You are a little too front on. You should be looking (with your eyes) to the wall to your right. Then the angle will be more correct.
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arm swing is not consistent. you basically lose form in a couple of your shots. body turn isn't full yet but you're not going 100% on those loops so i don't expect full body rotation.
you're pretty light on your feet which is good. you are right about the backswing being too long. but i could care less about the follow through. in fact the follow through ensures that you have proper impact on the ball. plus it forces you to recover faster =). |
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APW46 ![]() Assistant Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 02/02/2009 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3331 |
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Nothing. I'm sure it will develop into a well defined asset to your game as it progresses. You could squeeze yrself some extra time by recovering instantly instead of in sync with the rally tempo.
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mhnh007 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/17/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2800 |
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I do not find anything wrong with your stroke, or form either. You just need to get ready for the next ball after each stroke. Look like wait and only pull back when the next ball comes.
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Rich215 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02/28/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3488 |
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Thats easy to correct your problem! Get rid of that music......lol
Actually looks good. |
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I'll agree that your swing is a bit big, but it only needs to be a bit shorter. And yes your follow through is slightly too big; try to keep the blade from passing the right side of your face. The main reasons why you have these problem seems to be an issue in being able to get power from your stroke. It actually looks like you're using more effort than you should be but the output isn't quite there. This is from your lack of body rotation which is also directly caused by your right leg.
Come to think of it, you seem to see all your own problems ![]() What kind of rubber are you using on fh? I'd need to know in order to adjust your stroke appropriately to get the most power out of the rubber. |
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ErikaT ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 06/27/2007 Location: Hong Kong Status: Offline Points: 656 |
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theres quite many points to talk about..........
basically, the foot should not be hopping
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razortt ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 504 |
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Sorry I was playing with the "audio swap" feature in youtube, but didn't know its a permanent thing. |
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razortt ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 504 |
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I was using BTY T64 FH(normally i have t05 as FH, during taping, i was using t64 just for fun) , and I felt you hit on something that I felt for a while. A lot of effort, but the output wasn't quite there. 1) Back swing too much 2) Lethargic right foot 3) Follow through is too much, need to keep it short 4) Waist rotation problem 5) Less foot hopping |
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Hopping?
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razortt ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 504 |
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Yeah, Erika spotted that my foot was hopping a bit. |
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I don't see anything wrong with the back swing though. That how you get the power from, the more swing before contact the better (more momentum, and force), if you feel that you do not get the power out from what you put in, then it may be just the timing, you do not accelerate and contact the ball at the right time. From the video, looks like you are doing 'control' loop though, so it's OK. If you meant to generate more power, then yes you need to accelerate more on you stroke than what shown on the video.
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hmm you should use your wrist and try a more forward motion when looping topspin balls.. also close your bat angle a lil bit more like 30 degrees
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In my opinion the drilling development level is quite good.
to improve and i would say as always when one is developing strokes quite good, the footwork to position the arm a little more open with the blade angle more closed over the ball because there is no back spin return. this would be that way with a classic rubber. however with tenergy the angle of the blade is going to be higher getting the grip of the rubber to help. so it is difficult to say. just a little bit further the body from the ball.
but in general quite well.
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You know what you're capable of, but I think you're on the right track.Your move is good, follow trough is very OK, back swing is just perfect. I've only noticed that among your shots you had a few perfect ones, (still maintaining the same speed)where your wrist and body were absolutely relaxed,perfectly whipping the ball and producing noticeably more speed and spin.For even more power, my coach is teaching me to tighten my abdominal muscles(only) exactly at the moment of impact with the ball.Maybe that will help you too for producing more consistent power
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To be honest,I didn't see anything wrong other than the hopping. Just make sure that at the moment of contact with the ball, you are planted on the floor.
Also, your arm stays too long up there. Just follow through and get ready for next shot asap. |
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What's wrong ? Frankly, not much...If you really want to find something wrong, I could say your arm stays up a little bit too long. It could come down a tad faster and enable you to save some time. Also you could hit the ball a bit sooner and fronter. That provides more power and a flater trajectory. Otherwise it is already very good. |
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loop+loop ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09/17/2006 Status: Offline Points: 327 |
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Basically nothing wrong. What's wrong is that you are analysing too much.
You really want to know what's wrong, just try out in games and see if you have the time to analyse that much.
Most importanly just enjoy the game.
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kenneyy88 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4074 |
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Looks good to me, maybe try to transfer your weight forward and not to the side, causing you to hop to the left.
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cole_ely ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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I just read a book from PATT where the author claims that the concept of "weight transfer" is a pervasive mis-coaching. He says that the legs perform two functions:
1) to get your body in position to create the correct "ball to body relationship"
2) to provide a stable and balanced base from which to swing.
He says that the concept of using your legs to get power isn't realistic...better to focus on getting in position and then getting your forearm snap. He goes on to say that the concept of weight-transfer from back to front foot will only leave you off balance to recover from the next shot.
I found it interesting, as this was different than I had always heard.
On the video, I feel like the guy's wrist and racket angle doesn't alwasy remain constant through the stroke. Not that mine would be any better. And I noticed right away what has been already pointed out. That he needs to step back a bit with the behind foot so he's not so parallel tothe table and taking the ball beside his body instead of out in front.
Again to reference the book, if you put both your arms in front of you and touch your fingers, you create a triangle. The middle of this triangle is where you should be hitting the ball. Both in terms of hitting on the line that goes from your fingers to your chest, and in terms of the closeness to your body being halfway out to your fingers.
This implies that your body should be perpendicular to the direction you're wanting to hit the ball. So you would need to take a big step back with your back foot. It also implies that you should take the ball out in front of your body, not beside your body as you're tending to do.
So I'm not saying I do this. This is just what I'm working on now based on what I just read.
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hey dont worry about back swing seems not that big many palyers with a bigger backswing just need to stop hopping on the loop this should only be done on kill shots when you would not be expecting a return ball.use your legs to push your body in a forward motion going towards your partner(hence weight transfer).does not have to be a big forward leg motion.remember more arm speed means more power
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Esp since he seems to be hopping back, away from the shot. That can't be good.
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The concept of weight transfer giving power maybe is old hat, but there is no doubt that particularly when playing a F/hand drive, the centre of gravity of the torso is shifted forward by the very nature of the stroke, and the smooth transfer between legs ensures a forward motion, the weight terminating on the left foot (r/hander) ensures a positive base to recover from and move.
Who is 'PATT'?
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cole_ely ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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But if you think about it, it really doesn't have to be. If your upper body is balance between the legs, it can rotate without leaning forward. And having your weight too much on one foot HURTS mobility, no matter what sport you're in. What if you have to move to your left? It can't help to have your left foot planted.
I was a little skeptical at first, but the more I think about it the more I agree with the patt author on this one.
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I actually think that having your weight on 1 foot (instead of both) help you move quicker.
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cole_ely ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Depends on which way you have to move, right? Actually, I'm going to say that having too much weight on one foot is called "being off balance" and is almost always bad in sports. Well, it wouldn't hurt in golf or baseball because the swing is pretty much the end of the motion.
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nothing wrong with your loop.
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razortt ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 504 |
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True! My arm arm stays too long up there, thanks for catching that. I always thought the follow through looks funny , i think the arm also stay too long because of that. |
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