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aeoliah
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Speedstick, I believe heavier blade will be more powerful.
Jpenmaster, actually I agree with you, and I don't expect a plain colour. However this one does not look natural, there is a straight line separating two colours. If the colour changes gradually, then it should be nice. Tiehwen, I don't recall your KKT. Do you still have the link so I can see it ? Perhaps yours is the lightest so far |
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jpenmaster
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For me i like it when the Hinoki has a rose coloring to it. So much nicer than plain cream. I do some wood working and in that field when a piece has something unique about it , it is considered rare, special and more valuable as no two will be the same. Here in the TT world we want a lifeless and mechanical look to our wood ,very strange. I think a lot of collectors would like their Hinoki grown in a lab under perfect conditions to get perfect color and grain and that is a little sad.
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Speedstick
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for that price, it should look good..
just put a rubber on it and the discoloration will be covered..
do lighter blades have less power compare to heavy ones? Edited by Speedstick - 07/05/2011 at 4:21am |
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aeoliah
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Thanks for your information, Jpenmaster, I agree that performance should come first, but then ....if it does not look good, it will nag my mind and I will be reluctant to use it
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Most of the wood for blades is grade A,B and S. Grade S being the best then A and B being last. It is sorted by hand and peoples opinions vary on what grade a piece should be. One mans grade S may be another mans A. It is all just for appearance. Most all high end jpens are grade A or S KTS,Cypress Max, Cypress S,CPL,RSM,Dynam,KKT,Darker 70/90,Xiom RSM gold/plat,Rorin,Excellent A/P, Joola Genesis,Temujin,Iruiru TSP and custom mades all fit in A or S. For me it is more important if the blade is hard or soft and what the blade weighs not what color or how perfect the grains are .
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aeoliah
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I don't know about that, iruiru did not say anything about the hinoki grade. Can you give me the list of grades for the hinoki wood being used for blades ?
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good then. just tell us how it plays compare to your other blade. is hyblade a grade S kiso hinoki?
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aeoliah
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Certainly I did ask them, and iruiru in turn asked Darker, who confirms that it has nothing to do with the quality of wood and that it is natural. This is actually my first two-colour blade.
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nice hyblade aeoliah! have you ask iruiru about the discoloration? i think it's natural.
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thanks for sharing akwong! |
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My newly restored Butterfly Custom Cypress Special Iron Logo "特別御注文品"!!!!!
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FH Spinart Max BH Curl P3 Ox Bty KTS Red Label FH Tenergy 05 Max BH Joola Octopus 0.6mm |
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Colleague Imago,
Banning jpen in table tennis is in many ways similar to a ban on teaching philosophy at the university level.
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Speedstick
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old Butterfly Cypress-S without print
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Speedstick
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nittaku (special order) cho tokusen A 10mm from bleachfan
Edited by Speedstick - 04/05/2011 at 7:31am |
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aeoliah
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What is actually the black vertical stripe on the right hand side ? I have seen such black vertical stripes on some Xiom blades before.
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awesome! |
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ryu seung min g-max custom
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wealthweb
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I found the previous similar answer by jpenmaster through the Forum Searching. And I tend to agree with you and jpenmaster. Somehow my friend who sanded the back of the blue KTS blade claimed that the sheet not only showed up below the cork layer but also from the rest of the blade beyond the cork area. I speculate that it could be the double sided plastic glue sheet that Butterfly has used for attaching the cork layer to the back of the blade and then Butterfly simply dark paints the rest of the glue sheet beyond the area of cork. I have one red KTS, four blue KTSs, two Cypress Max, two platinum RSMs. After examining the back of these blades under the sun, I have noticed the grain pattern through the dark paint from all blades except the RSMs where the dark paint finish is extremely smooth showing no grain pattern. It is possible the dark paint of the RSMs and the newer KTS is thicker misleading my friend to believe there is a thin layer of plastic film attached to the back of the blade. These irregularities confuse me more. I have to talk to my friend again. At the end of the day I still think your opinion and jpenmaster's comments are more accurate. Thanks. Edited by wealthweb - 04/03/2011 at 8:46am |
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Eric Yu
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bleachfan92
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all of them need glue to stick on so it appiles to all. but different companies have different glue to stick it on. so the effect may not be the same.
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Speedstick
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hi bleach! is it only applicable to KTS or other jpens have it too? I know you're making your own jpen. do you have some pics of these glue layer?
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to stick the back side cork on.
if you sand the part with no cork, only the black paint will come off and there after you will see the orig wood colour whereas if you sand the place with the cork, there will be a layer of so called film before the black paint then the wood.
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wealthweb
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What is the rationale of applying a layer of glue to the back of KTS blade by Butterfly? |
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Eric Yu
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Speedstick
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another confirmation..
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bleachfan92
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Theres no such thing as a black film
Its just the layer of glue that you saw. |
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Speedstick
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i remember on one of jpenmaster's post that he said that the thin film is some glue sheet they're using on the blade.
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BUTTERFLY Red Kim Taek Soo; XIOM Omega IV Lord, Grant what You command, and command what You will. -ST.AUGUSTINE |
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Can jpenmaster or akwong88 confirm for us that the newer KTS blade has a very thin layer of dark film attached to the back dark side of the blade? And what is its intended function? For more power, springy effect or what?
Thanks. Edited by wealthweb - 04/03/2011 at 2:55am |
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Eric Yu
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which one is better? [/QUOTE]
Cypress Blade from Japan is better according to my friend's comments. |
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Eric Yu
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Speedstick
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[/QUOTE] Someone from my TT club told me the same story. Cypress from Taiwan and Cypress from Japan are not the same thing.[/QUOTE]
which one is better?
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