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AllezCho
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Your technique just keeps getting better and better with every new video you post! Great job!
First off, your footwork is improving. You're moving more for every shot, and your transitions are also getting better. Although sometimes, you're either not moving quickly enough, not moving far enough, or just not moving at all. This results in mistiming, which causes you to dump the ball in the net if you're late or shoot off the table if you're a bit early. Especially with your Chinese rubber, timing is crucial. Work on more efficient movement.
In particular, your transition to the FH on the left corner of the table is very nice. And you are adding more weight transfer to FH loops, hence the added power and accuracy. Still, sometimes you don't move at all when you transition between FH and BH, especially shots in the middle of the table. Work on your weight transfer, especially after a transition to FH from BH.
All in all, your improvement in footwork and transitions result in an obvious improvement in your shot consistency. It won't be long before you can start adding even more power while keeping the same level of consistency.
Good luck, and keep up the good work!
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More updates! Most of this lesson was getting my feet to move correctly and getting in place to hit. I know many of you guys have told me to do the elbow snap, but I've gone over this with Steven and he is fine with me not snapping (at least for these shots). I've also noticed another factor that adds to my stiff look: the way I pull my arm back to take my next shot. This will definitely be the thing I'll work on for the next week or so until my next lesson!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-cYuyHJS0 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyQnigWRCXU Enjoy and comment! |
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@Jeff WOW!!! thanks for posting all those screenshots! must have been tedious! I never realized how similar my motion is to WLQ. I've long stopped trying to emulate WLQ's form, but I guess it's been ingrained in my form now.
@Tuan I'm surprised that my follow through turned out that way in that screenshot. I never knew I actually hit like that. I will try something else tomorrow and see how that works. @Nori Thanks!!! You should watch his match with Tim Wang during the recent Nationals. HEHEHE Steven will be staying for at least another month which means at least 3 more lessons with him!!! |
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Firstly, your coach is a beast. Secondly, your backhand is amazing. |
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that's alot of hard work! i think it's pretty much the follow through that's stopping you from getting that super nasty loop a-la wlq...
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I couldn't get a frame from you video for a "precontact" picture so I left it out. A little about the WLQ vs. Chen Qi Point @ 5:04. This is in the middle of a rally, so his stroke will not be as nice as his practice strokes, but you can still get good information from these pictures. I also chose this match because the angle that they use is closest to the angles the ohhgourami uses in his videos.
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Post Contact Follow Through Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 01/30/2011 at 12:34am |
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I have laboriously compiled this set of pictures for your studying purposes. It is a frame-by-frame comparison of your FH vs. WLQ's FH at several parts of the swing: Backswing, Contact, Post Contact, and Follow through. I have pulled these frames from the following videos: 1.21.11 Lesson Part 4 by ohhgourami @ 2:48 Wang Liqin vs. Chen Qi 2009 WTTC by ttcountance @ 5:04 Backswing Contact |
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oh i think i'm on my heels a lot too come to think of it...weight transfer sucks when i have to move =/. you'll see when i put up the vid. it's processing right now....and i'm in class lol.
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@icontek thanks! I was hoping that my progress compared to the first round was a good leap forward. I've felt that my bh has been relatively the same throughout my playing, just timing has improved with the addition to just being confident and comfortable enough just loop every ball. I think Steven only "had trouble" because of my inconsistencies.
@tpgh2k I don't think those shots were fast enough I realized that I was pushing off my heel the whole time (the last 2+ years!!!) and the loop drives I did at the end of the last vid were from trying out pushing off the balls of my feet. After I starting doing that, I got a huge power and consistency boost. And a lot of it has to do with my current sheet of H3 Now to feel comfortable doing it and I think all my weight transfer, waist rotation, tense stroke, fail to elbow snap problems will finally all be gone!!!! It's amazing how this one little issue right at the start of my stroke would derail my whole chain of motion!!! I believe this coming Friday will be the last lesson I will be able to have (for a long long time) with Steven. My greatest hope for the next lesson is to have correct motion for my fh so that way I will not screw up my fh while I'm on my own. |
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towards the end of the vid those loop drives were MONSTER!!!! you were probably putting about 65-75% effort into those. just imagine what would happen when you really go for those shots.
west coast > east coast. your bh looks way better than mine and that footwork is coming together really nicely. i'll put up a vid of me trying to shake off some holiday rust for you to bash in a bit =) |
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I'm not qualified to comment on technique, but your progress is evident, even compared to the first round of videos!
I especially enjoyed how compact and powerful your backhand is getting! KUDOS! The only concern I have is that Steven had more trouble than I would expect returning your shots :) I've chalked this up to the inevitable variation in spin/power that occurs while you are learning new technique (from the timing/contact changes). |
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Where I want to land the ball is not the cause of my tensing up, it is that I'm trying to focus on individual elements on how to produce power. My coach has no problem blocking any of the shots I give him, that is the purpose of having a high level coach too. The goal of all the videos is not directly consistently landing balls, but how I am landing the balls. My goal in all these videos are to have a good chain of movement starting from the balls of my toes all the way up to my fingers to transfer all the power into the ball, as a side effect, the balls will be fast and spinny in addition to being consistent too. I will agree that multiball does aid relaxation, but my coach is already giving me shots at my natural pace. I'm just focusing on different elements so it may look like I'm tense - in addition to how much my stroke has changed since the first video, all in less than a months work. |
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Vassily
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Sometimes when you are hitting the ball back to a blocker you tense up more because you are trying to be consistent to make a blockable ball. I think multiball aids relaxation, since you dont need to care about where the ball lands and can hit at whatever natural pace suits you. Furthermore, multiball makes you really really tired until you dont care anymore and become completely relaxed... :p
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razortt
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Thanks for sharing your videos, it takes a lot of courage, I applaud you for that.
One obvious thing I would comment is that forearm needs to be retracted
to complete the stroke. Weight transfer needs to be focused on
too.(turn waist) It looks like a lot of time you put your weight on
right leg and forgot to transfer it to left leg. Backhand looks good, I
would originate the backhand stroke closer to body (in front of belly
button) then with follow through. A lot of reaching out, means the ball
is not stable. Your feet can be a little faster, and more small hops to
reach optimum striking distance between your body and the ball. You probably already hear that a lot from your coach . Good job and good videos!!!
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Actually my left leg was too forward at one point. My legs should be pointed perpendicularly to the bh corner |
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Vassily
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Im sure your coach knows best, but here are my thoughts:
I think not snapping your elbow is causing your arm to have too much rotational and forward momentum, so it makes you fall over forward.
You end up swinging slower than you can because you are trying not to fall over, and braking your swing quite quickly after you hit the ball, rather than letting your arm just freewheel.
Weight transfer forward is good, but after you hit the ball there is no need to transfer any more weight, so you better go back to your normal balance asap! So for really big loops people usually take a step forward with their left foot, makes it easier to get back up.
Your swing seems very forced, and yet languid (no acceleration). Its supposed to be natural and focussed.
Dont try to follow some preconceived model of "how you should swing" with some kind of planned flightpath as if you are some robot. Just relax and swing happily away. Your body is very clever and will naturally arrange itself into a good power linkage. Your coach will correct you to tune the last bits of power, but your job is to stay relaxed and natural. Edited by Vassily - 01/24/2011 at 12:11am |
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I think you are not stepping around enough in order to play diagonal fh from bh corner. I think your left leg should be a lot more forward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npdrAkzpw8 - here see how much more angled is Ryu |
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Vids being added!!!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmVmKjHxGE Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5KyK7vBZA Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpee66VQmg Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVnlm1bbXs Feel free to comment! |
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ohhgourami
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I found out what makes my power transfer look soo awkward!!!! I was pushing off my heels to create power instead of the balls of my feet!!!
More videos soon to be put up. Sadly I found out about my problem towards the end of my lesson. |
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Imago
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Very fast progress. Good for you! |
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ohhgourami
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That would be great Tuan. I finally put together the elbow snap and the "concave" motion today. I know I know you guys keep telling me to elbow snap, but one step at a time. My footwork is still weird on certain shots and I want to perfect that before I move on to anything else. Like I said, that lesson was mainly on right leg movement and waist rotation. |
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i'm still loving the vids tho! definitely will take ur idea and put mine up too =)
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Just to play counter, you don't need to use the forearm much, but I agree with bladness that you need to use the forearm more to loop. |
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I'm sorry ohhgourami, but you're still not snapping your forearm. No matter Chinese or European loop, the forearm snapping is the most important thing in FH/BH technique, and even WLQ snaps his forearm if you notice. You should go back to basic counterhits to learn snapping the forearm instead of starting directly with loops. I'm afraid this loop training will further worsen ur technique not improve it.
Just my 2 cents. |
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I have regular practice tomorrow/much later today. I will definitely be working to improve on fh.
Thanks for all the advice so far. |
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the parts when you tank the balls into the net are actually when you swing correctly. you just need to hold the ball longer and launch the sucker. that's where the impact part comes in.
but good work all in all! =D |
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follow through is a bit high hence why you're missing the table. the
main problem is in the swing itself. i see that steven was trying to fix
it. i'm putting up a simple diagram that shows what i think i see in
your swing. one thing for sure is that i can see an open paddle angle at
the end of your swing. it should more closed...
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