|
|
Palatinus OSP Expert ALL+ Review |
Post Reply | Page <1 34567> |
Author | |||
SADASAS48
Member Joined: 09/01/2011 Location: BRAZIL Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
|
|||
BLADE: Peter Korbel FL(BTY)
RUBBERS: CORNILLEAU Pilot Power 2.2mm (BH)/ Pilot Advance 2.2mm(FH) |
|||
Sponsored Links | |||
patrick1v
Gold Member Joined: 06/16/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
i would reccomend the stiga calibra sound max.you wont loose any speed.its faster than coppa silver with better feeling and spinoff the table it is also good.
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
This is exactly how I feel about the OSP Expert
|
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
AndySmith
Premier Member Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4378 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I've had the good fortune to get hold of a test Expert in the last week. It is truely a wonderful blade, capable of just about anything. The only thing I didn't like was the overall weight. I'm using heavy rubbers, and with the large head size the entire setup is heavy.
So I've ordered one from OSP with the Virtuoso M head size, ELCON-FH. I had a Virtuoso M for a few months, and that was really, really good. The Expert is all that and a bit more.
|
|||
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
you know what's strange Andy? I love the Expert, but I didn't care at all for your Virtuoso... maybe it was just the rubbers I put on it? (Red Diamond and Black Power if I remember correctly) |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
AndySmith
Premier Member Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4378 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
No, I see where you are coming from. In fact, while I really liked using the Virtuoso, it didn't suit me really which is why I moved it on. It reminded me of the Acoustic I had a brief flirtation with (courtesy of Anton). It had a really "smooth" feel to it. Just couldn't quite work out what it was doing some of the time. Maybe it's just where I was at the time, but I couldn't settle with it. Now the Expert has a different feel to me. It does feel lively, but not in an unpredictable way. It just seems to fit the mood I have when playing. If I'm just staying loose and calm, it does the same. If I'm waving my arms around like a crazed madman, it turns up the volume as well. I never felt it was too fast in the short game, or lacking punch from further back. Some forehand smashes were dumped into the net, but that's probably my worst area so I blame myself. But the ball placement was almost supernatural, and that's where my focus is at the moment. So I got home, had a think, and hit the order button. I may have changed things a bit by getting a smaller head size. Will have to see.
|
|||
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
with the mentioned lkt rubbers, the virtuoso was giving me feedback which i disliked second only to the stiga allround classic wrb (). i was on a wild ej tear at the time so i'll never know how i would have liked it with other rubbers
|
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
mhnh007
Platinum Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2800 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Would it be fair to say that Expert is more suited for away from the table play, and Virtuosos is better for close to the table play?
|
|||
AndySmith
Premier Member Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4378 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Oooh, not sure. I think it's a personal preference, and I would put them the other way around. Expert is definitely slower in the lower gears. Touch shots are easier. On bigger shots, expert flexes more to bring the speed up to almost the level of the Virtuoso. So expert had the wider dynamic range. It's your call if that suits you. |
|||
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
|
|||
mhnh007
Platinum Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2800 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
From my experience, flex blade is good for full stroke, but does not play well close to the table. I am very interested in the Expert for its control and feel (from what I read so far), but not sure if it fits my close to the table play. |
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
imo, there is no disadvantage in the short game with the Expert. I've played with many blades in the ALL+ to OFF+ range (mostly OFF- to OFF+). I used to hate flexible blades. The Expert is something unique. I would be surprised if you didn't like it in the short game. (unless you like effortless blazing blocks from an OFF+ thick and stiff blade... then you might be a little disappointed, i guess) my 2 cents |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
mhnh007
Platinum Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2800 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Sound like something I would like as well. I am now leaning more toward the Expert then the Virtuoso . |
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I just leaned towards ordering a 2nd Expert, and did so |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
bluebucket
Platinum Member Joined: 02/20/2011 Location: 16 Status: Offline Points: 2882 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Your blade can and usually does dictate what kind of player you are, if you've been playing with a blade that doesn't perform well from long range, like a balsa or even a thick 7 ply you can find yourself playing from long range almost straight away with a blade than can play the long range game better like a flexy 5 ply. I'm sure the_theologian is looping balls from further off the table than he ever has over the last few days.
I don't think the expert blocks as well as a stiff blade at the table. When you have a ball coming fast at you with enough power behind it to induce some flex into the expert the resulting shot can be a bit off target because of the large amount of dwell the blade makes even on those passive shots. On the other hand you can do more with that ball than just block it back, you have more options to cover the ball and add a little topspin, slow the ball down, add some side spin etc. the_theologian's expert is a very good looking example of an expert by the way, best one I've seen, if I could be sure of getting one as good as his I'd order a 3rd one. Something I really need to do one day as in the end both mine were sub standard, still great blades but not as good as they should have been
|
|||
Rich215
Premier Member Joined: 02/28/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3488 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Your in quite the same situation many are in when trying to figure out if they should get the Expert or the Virtuoso- without having used either or only one of them. Let me give you just a little insight as to why i finally choose one over the other after using both. I liked the lower throw angle of the Virtuoso as it paired better for my play style and blended more closely to my game all around. I did not find any problems what so ever with short game at all in the Virtuoso. I could of settled on the Expert if I did not have to change my wrist angle so much. I tended to send too many balls just off the end of the table because of the wrist angle difference needed that I was not used to. But it also may depend on the rubber you are going to use as well. Expert can play off the table very well I found. It truly does have a very dynamic range of gears and is one of the most fun blades to play with. Good luck on your decision. |
|||
|
|||
bluebucket
Platinum Member Joined: 02/20/2011 Location: 16 Status: Offline Points: 2882 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Shark II is great at taming the high throw on the backhand, that rubber is a very good match for the expert
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
this is the first blade i've been comfortable with in getting aggressive with bh loops (finally!). and yes, fh loops are more dynamic than ever and further from the table than ever before my 9-10-9 blocks better right off the table in some sense, but like you mentioned, with the expert i have the freedom to turn that block into something else Edited by the_theologian - 03/20/2012 at 10:30am |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
yes your history of blades could surely come into play here. i was really wondering if i'd care for the osp flared handle after discovering the comfortable bbc fl handle. but, i've found no trouble in adjusting to the expert in that regard. just my experience. I'm also continually surprised how I can swing so hard on loops and yet the ball lands. this is with tg3neo. if i was using a considerably faster rubber, i might be having the same problem of balls going long ha, again, if i'd have tried bluebucket's suggestion a long time ago, expert/tg3neo/sharkII, i'd have saved a lot of ej'ing. it's perfect for me Edited by the_theologian - 03/20/2012 at 10:29am |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
Imago
Premier Member Joined: 07/19/2009 Location: Sofia Status: Offline Points: 5897 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
More vivid than Ultimate with H2/H3 on it?! Interesting...
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
here's some low-res pics using my webcam. once i'm back in the States I'll take better photos of this Expert and its coming twin Edited by the_theologian - 03/20/2012 at 10:46am |
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
Rich215
Premier Member Joined: 02/28/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3488 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Imago......when I first tried the Expert test blade (SQ/ST normal larger head like 161x152 at 93g), I used 2.0mm Rakza regular on both sides. That is the only blade that felt good or worked well with the regular 2.0 Rakza rubber on blades that I have ranging from ALL+ to OFF. |
|||
|
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
The OSP Expert ALL+ is teaching me to how properly use my backhand
just as Vibram Five Fingers taught me how to run correctly Never before have I hit topspin at mid-distance with my BH with such accuracy as I'm having with the Expert. What a joy this blade is.
|
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
szerszámos
Member Joined: 03/24/2012 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
This guy plays (black Butterfly dress) with "OSP Expert" FH / BH Tenergy 05 FX
|
|||
mepper59
Member Joined: 09/14/2011 Location: netherlands Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
hello,as i mentioned before i played an virtuoso, wich was to fast for me, despite the amazing feel. The gears of the expert are more supple for me.now i have played my newly born Expert last monday and it is a wonderful experience , I HAVE FOUND THE BLADE THAT FITS ME!! Strange feeling when everything fits, the feel, the flex and enough power for me.I geared it up with a 3 year old tuned sriver 2.1, and an old bryce fx, also tuned.
After an evening of playing against two players and there it was, this is the blade i have been looking for . SO after almost 35 years looking for the best blade (after my 1976 alser), i've come home again. During play i constantly switched fh/bh because the bryce was not my cup of tea. I have ordered gewo airtec L 2.1for my fh, keep the sriver on the bh(still good enough).OLDSTYLE rock's!!! My bh and service returns improved instantly, amazing because thats my weakness. I can do pretty much everything with my fh.Hitting,brushloop ,pushing, blocking, service ,everything went smooth, i even hit so hard against a waiting spectator that he yelled ouch. I am happy now, playing an even better blade than the old stiga, because of the more solid feel and extra power, and the wellbalanced head-feel.No wrb anymore. End of my EJ era. btw, i want to post a foto, but i dont know how Anyone?
|
|||
There's no way but your own experience way.
blade OSP Virtuoso / custom Alser grip FH tenergy 05 1.9 BH rozena 1.9 |
|||
zzz
Super Member Joined: 09/30/2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 342 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Congrats to your end of EJing. Expert or Virtuoso - that seems to be the question for many OSP mates.
Easiest you can upload your image to the forum. Just choose the option "upload image" in post reply mode and choose the file(s) to upload. The forum software inserts the image(s) automatically to your post. |
|||
Virtuoso+ :: Mark V :: Mark V
|
|||
mepper59
Member Joined: 09/14/2011 Location: netherlands Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
hi ZZZ, thank you. I did upload it, but my foto is to big(1.2mb) How can i make the file smaller,max 2kb?
|
|||
There's no way but your own experience way.
blade OSP Virtuoso / custom Alser grip FH tenergy 05 1.9 BH rozena 1.9 |
|||
mhnh007
Platinum Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2800 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
|
|||
zzz
Super Member Joined: 09/30/2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 342 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I'm using Linux as OS, so I prefer Gimp. It is also available for Windows: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html Use the option "Scale Image". http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-image-scale.html BTW. The size per image is limited at 200kb (not 2kb). |
|||
Virtuoso+ :: Mark V :: Mark V
|
|||
mepper59
Member Joined: 09/14/2011 Location: netherlands Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
If its working,
this is my EXPERT/FL/89 gr. AirtecL2.1black fh/SriverL red 2.1 bh. "LONG MAY WE RUN"
|
|||
There's no way but your own experience way.
blade OSP Virtuoso / custom Alser grip FH tenergy 05 1.9 BH rozena 1.9 |
|||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
figured it's time for some better pictures
|
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
Post Reply | Page <1 34567> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Forum Home | Go to the Forums | Forum Help | Disclaimer
MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd. |