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    Posted: 09/03/2011 at 2:33am
Hi guys, recently got a 500ml speed axel booster from nittaku.
Anyway, he are my thoughts:
Power Increase: Medium (wont differ much from typical boosters, a slightly minor increase than dian chi)
Speed: Great (even faster than dian chi :D)
Sound: Medium (better than most boosters but less than dian chi)
Spin: Pretty good increase (20% maybe?)
It should also be noted that the rubbers will become noticebly SOFTER after long term boosting.
I have two pictures: One before boosting, and one after 3 layers :D.
I put two layers on, then two layers of water based glue, then another layer of booster.



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where did you buy it?

thanks

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500ml for $70 -doest come with brush (acts as a refill)
130ml for #30 --comes with brush and speed axel wristband (500ml is used to refill this)
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Is it Dian Chi booster or Glue?
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===Power Increase: Medium (wont differ much from typical boosters, a slightly minor increase than dian chi)
Speed: Great (even faster than dian chi :D)
Sound: Medium (better than most boosters but less than dian chi)===
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Dian Chi is a booster.
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I don't understand this at all. $70 for 500 ml? These 'boosters' better perform magic at this price and the brush better be gold plated. I bet this is Nittaku's most profitable item and 500 ml costs about 50 cents to make or get from some source in bulk. It is simply a matter of knowing what chemical this booster is and exploiting those that think they need a booster to play well. Where do I buy Nittaku stock? I see big profits for Nittaku if this catches on.


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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Dian Chi is a booster.

They actually make both.
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The one the OP was refering was the booster..
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

The one the OP was refering was the booster..

Yes you are right on that account, I believe Dian Chi makes speed glue, water based glue AND booster.
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I like Dian Chi more than Axel.
I've always liked power more than speed.
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Originally posted by pnachtwey pnachtwey wrote:

I don't understand this at all. $70 for 500 ml? These 'boosters' better perform magic at this price and the brush better be gold plated. I bet this is Nittaku's most profitable item and 500 ml costs about 50 cents to make or get from some source in bulk. It is simply a matter of knowing what chemical this booster is and exploiting those that think they need a booster to play well. Where do I buy Nittaku stock? I see big profits for Nittaku if this catches on.



It would have been profitable for Nittaku if it were still in production.  This has been off the market for a whole year now.
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Originally posted by ohhgourami ohhgourami wrote:

Originally posted by pnachtwey pnachtwey wrote:

I don't understand this at all. $70 for 500 ml? These 'boosters' better perform magic at this price and the brush better be gold plated. I bet this is Nittaku's most profitable item and 500 ml costs about 50 cents to make or get from some source in bulk. It is simply a matter of knowing what chemical this booster is and exploiting those that think they need a booster to play well. Where do I buy Nittaku stock? I see big profits for Nittaku if this catches on.



It would have been profitable for Nittaku if it were still in production.  This has been off the market for a whole year now.

Idk why people would pay so much for speed axel, its really really cheap on taobao. 100mL = 120 yuan or 18.75$. 
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Counterfeit products are very common on taobao.
Timo boll alc for 240 yuan? LOL
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Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

Counterfeit products are very common on taobao.
Timo boll alc for 240 yuan? LOL

Who fakes glue? Plus one auction listed the same picture as the one that prott.cc uses, just though I'd make note of that. 
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It's not about what you fake, it's about how much money you make.
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Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

I've always liked power more than speed.


Nice review channyboi!Clap

I'm curious how you define 'power' and 'speed'?
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:


Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

I've always liked power more than speed.
Nice review channyboi!ClapI'm curious how you define 'power' and 'speed'?


isn't power and speed the same?
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Power in table tennis is a combination of speed and spin at least that's how I interpret it :0, speed without spin is about as useless as spin without speed :-0
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Nittaku has a really cool shirt pimping this product. The T-Shirt looks better than many TT shirts.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:


Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

I've always liked power more than speed.
Nice review channyboi!ClapI'm curious how you define 'power' and 'speed'?


Going for a wild guess here, but I think that "speed" and "power" here refers to the name of the products?
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Originally posted by <strong><em>channyboi</em></strong><em> channyboi wrote:

Power Increase: Medium (wont differ much from typical boosters, a slightly minor increase than dian chi)
Speed: Great (even faster than dian chi :D)
Spin: Pretty good increase (20% maybe?)

He seems to differentiate between all three of these, so I was just asking what he meant by them.
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

Counterfeit products are very common on taobao.
Timo boll alc for 240 yuan? LOL

Who fakes glue? Plus one auction listed the same picture as the one that prott.cc uses, just though I'd make note of that. 


I had a chance to compare the smell of Haifu Speed Glue purchased from Taobao with some stuff I purchased from TTNPP. Even though they both looked the same (like the pictures) they smelled totally different.

One was fake, for sure.

Originally posted by channyboi channyboi wrote:

It's not about what you fake, it's about how much money you make.


Right on. If you can make fakes that cost very little to produce (like glues and boosters, using whatever is cheapest and provides similar effect) you can have large margins.

If the retail price for a couple hundred milliliters of parrafin oil is a few dollars, how much markup do you think glues and boosters have?

Remember, when the VOC ban kicked in, loads of manufacturers who resold speed glue lost a signifcant revenue stream. Their partnership with the ITTF ensures that the losses will be made up somewhere (see rising rubber and blade costs, new ball construction, and equipment bans that ensure a spending spree).
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Power in table tennis is a combination of speed and spin at least that's how I interpret it :0, speed without spin is about as useless as spin without speed :-0
Why not add "Kick" from bounce on the opponent's side of table in addition to speed and spin. Power should be all encompassing, since it really means amount of work (energy) performed in a given time. The ball's velocity can change after the bounce as well, so why not include that too.
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Power- 'More Spring, similar to a tensor'
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no such thing as a "Power" characteristic on a rubber...it's the user who makes it.
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I don't think ma long can do his loop with an unboosted hurricae?
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did Ma Long tell you that?
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Here's how I like to think of power vs speed, see if this makes sense to anyone else. 

Speed is the rate at which the ball leaves the surface of the rubber. Power on the other hand is the perceived decline of speed as the player's distance from the table increases.


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I used the word think; hence, I never said I confirmed with him.
Power is created by the body, but rubbers have their power too.
You try play with an untuned hurrcane far away from table after using tenergy.
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You get the idea-bouncier/like a tensor.
And that's how I define it.
Please keep in mind that this post is about table tennis, and not physics.
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