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Liu ShiWen Innerfiber ZLF |
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pinky1992
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Posted: 12/08/2011 at 12:53pm |
Hi is the Liu Shiwen unnerfiber ZLF the same as blade as the Innerforce ZLF.. And what are the stats for the Liu Shiwen unnerfiber ZLF??
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LOOPMEISTER
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Same exact blade but the Liu Shiwen has a slightly thicker handle, and thus a higher average weight.
Check out butterfly.co.jp for the stats.
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eonblue
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I bought it as a backup to my IF ZLF thinking that it was the exact same blade. It's 1.5g lighter, handle feels mostly the same, seems to be the same composition, thickness, etc.
But to me, it feels WAY FASTER...had just as much speed as the IF ZLC (or more) but still more flexible like the IF ZLF. So much speed that I had to buy another IF ZLF as a backup instead. It might be okay when I get to 2000. My guess is that maybe BTY used different glue between the plies or the 2nd ply is a different wood. Edited by eonblue - 12/08/2011 at 3:23pm |
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tsanyc
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wow, glue matter a lot then?
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LOOPMEISTER
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Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Since Liu Shiwen was using the IF ZLF before BTY made the Liu Shiwen blade, I figured it was a re-packaged IF ZLF. BTY does state that the handle is thicker and the blade weighs more on average, so some handle and weight variations are not surprising. But the fact that its noticeably faster is unexpected. Maybe that's why Koki Niwa was able to use it during the Junior World Championships. He was using mostly ZLC blades before that, and to me the BTY ZLF blades don't seem to be powerful enough away from the table for a world class pro. (Liu Shiwen rarely goes back that far.) |
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pinky1992
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whats the suppose weight for the liu shiwen blade then? coz my 1 seems ever soo light
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LOOPMEISTER
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88g average.
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Moka
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I want to buy this blade but eonblue said that the liu shiwen is fast as an IF ZLC.
Can you tell me more about the control, and the speed compare to an ALC? What is the composition of the blade? (limba ayous like the IF ZLF?) Thank you
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icontek
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Hello and welcome to the forums!
Please keep all equipment related discussion in the Equipment Forum. Moved as a one time courtesy! also:
believe it or not, glue type, method and amount, perhaps even more than wood type, influences the speed and stiffness/elasticity of blade. It's often why you can have two blades with very similar construction that play in totally different speed classes. |
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pinky1992
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do they both have good dwell time,, r they the same??
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pinky1992
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plus could i used xiom vega europe for my backhand for this blade,, or would the combo be tooo soft?
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zhijie
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I don't know abt LiuShiWen ZLF. I'm using IF-ZLC and IF-ZLF. From my experience, my IF-ZLF is almost as fast as IF-ZLC. I'm not sure if it's blade to blade variations of my IF-ZLC/ZLF but that's what I feel for my setup. IF-ZLF is slightly 'bouncier' and a tad less control compare to IF-ZLC. So, don't know if I could fully agree with Bty blade chart that rate IF-ZLF as slower and more control than IF-ZLC. But for looping IF-ZLF is certainly very very good. As I said, it could be due to some variations in blades (?). Anyway, both are excellent blades. |
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ejmaster
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The Liu Shiwen is an excellent blade. The best feature is the looping performance with the arc looping quality. The arc is really low so it hurts because reduces the height margin to countering.
It is like a traditional 5 ply limba limba ayous with 2 zylon plies (quite solid). The spin variation is very good. Blocking is also good. Short and sharp. It is faster than what it seems. For me it is perfect fast. And for sure spinny. Control is good in everything. Handle is very good for not big hands with very good touch. The limba outer is good quality. I sealed with classic poliuretane slow process and the result was as good as with the old stigas. Today i crushed with this blade because my playing partners do not handle well the arc. It reminds me koki niwa and liu shiwen matches when counter looping. Seems difficult to handle. While the zjk blade was for me a fiasco this Liu Shiwen blade is a really nice blade. Both koki niwa and liu shiwen had an ej road till get to this blade and both got important tournament results, wttjc, ittf grand finals. I got impressed about this blade. More to come... Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 3:55pm |
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EJ Club.
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AndySmith
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Agree - it's a very natural feeling blade. Loops very well - I had a great black label Primorac a few years ago, and it feels like that. But the LSW has a more stable feel for blocking and driving. Excellent in every area, bad in none.
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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ejmaster
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Hi Andy. I doubted about getting the zxi hayabusa or the LS but after reading your impressions about both blades (something about higuer speed in the zxi but a little unforgiving) i got the LS.
So your posts were very helpful. And i got a good surprise. Thank you very much. Besides i thought 'i'm not willing to save 10 euros like getting a supposedly like t05 to deal with nothing like it. A bad business'. I see more risk getting hayabusa. Several blades not exactly same layering. Some of them going fast to the FS section. This is a funny thing you mention... awsome, the best blade and a few days later in the FS section. Btwy the LS has nothing to do with a Photino. Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 4:33pm |
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EJ Club.
MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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AndySmith
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The ZXi remains an enigma to me. Feel was strange, short game great, becomes very fast in other areas. There was lots of potential, but it has a complicated character, and I prefer simplicity these days. I would like to try some of the other Hayabusas one day though.
The LSW is brilliant. The only thing I'll say against it is that it probably costs too much, but everything seems to these days. :-( And don't thank me for the posts - I'm sure it was just a random good day for me. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. :-) |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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ejmaster
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Andy you are right about the rising prices.
And this is not a good strategy. I would have spent more money if prices were lower. I can buy several 80 $ blades just to have fun testing. But this way i just buy one every some months. The point is that all manufacturers have to be punished. First it was butterfly but then everybody goes this way. To go with +120 $ a blade is expensive to sell quantity. So the way to punish is 'ok it is hard to buy'. And if buying why the risk of getting an unknown blade. Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 4:59pm |
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MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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Mickael
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I tried it a year ago when it first came out, very crisp feeling , very good spin , but I could not finish the balls easily. Second it's head size is bigger than 157-150 , so with tenergy 05 both sides like koki niwa setup , it felt unbalanced and head heavy.
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ejmaster
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Hi Mickael. Glad to see in your signature a Viscaria instead of your first beloved zjk. You know i was right then.
The head size in the LS is perfect. It is 158 large. Perfect design to have sharp flexible behaviour in a thin blade. One of the main advantages about the zylon is lightness. So thin blade and light zylon allows to have this 158 head size with heavy rubbers and the blade balance is good. Koki Niwa plays with t25 (even more weight than t05) and t05. The balance in the LS is very good. Not head heavy. Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 5:09pm |
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EJ Club.
MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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AndySmith
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I thought it was well balanced too, but didn't use Tenergy, so maybe heavy rubbers would overload it. The head size annoyed me, but only when rotating rubbers from other blades. I'm ocd for badly fitting rubbers.
I thought it was fast enough as well, but it's not a true cannon. It excels in looping, but has a big advantage in not being weak in blocks and drives. This kind of balanced nature is quite rare, IMO. Blades which loop as well as this can be poor or unreliable in punchier shots. |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Mickael
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:) indeed viscaria is better than the zjk in terms of feel, but the liu shiwen blade is very good like the viscaria, but does not have this extra punch to finish a ball, you just feel the ball is sticking to the blade and not leaving with the wanted pace , overall the blade is very good.
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adishorul
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I think Liu Shiwen blade has a very nonlinear response, this blade is catching the ball in a very strange way giving to medium-hard and hard shots very poor precision.
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ejmaster
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You are right Mickael the ball stays longer in the LS and the Viscaria has more linear finishing power. The thing is that residence ball behaviour and different punch gives also trouble to the opponent when pulling the trigger. It is something to get used but it pays off. The ball becomes difficult to handle by your opponent. And there is also lower arc and more spin variation. So one is trading power by spin variation. I like the Viscaria a lot anyway. |
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EJ Club.
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ejmaster
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i agree about the non linear response (it retains the ball longer) but not about the precision. Precision is very good and also arc looping quality.
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EJ Club.
MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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mhnh007
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How are the LS and IF ZLF compare to the IF ALC in term of control and speed? I like the control of the IF ALC, but wish the speed is a little faster.
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ejmaster
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Imo the if alc feels even faster than the LS but less control. The if alc is more flexible than a mm but same fast.
But i like the LS control feeling better. Softer and with a better looping arc. |
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EJ Club.
MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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debraj
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i heard the Innerfiber blade has a Metamucil Core ..!!
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Mickael
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What is that ???
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dabookerman
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LOL... does it help you "loosen up" when you play?
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