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popperlocker
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Posted: 10/31/2012 at 9:08pm |
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In Tennis there is a clear rule, if you catch the ball/or touch the ball before the second bounce, even if the ball is going out, you lose the point. For example, you'll see pro tennis players matrix dodge balls that are going out.
However, this is not the case for TT. You'll often see the pros catch balls in the air that haven't bounced yet, or allow a ball to hit their body. My guess is that this is an unwritten rule. However, there are instances when close to table players touch balls within the table that could be in or out. Also, if there isn't an umpire present, what if I purposely hit a high long ball for my opponent to catch. Then I argue, that I won the point :) Edit: thanks for the detailed clarification guys. -Solved-
= you lose if you touch/catch the ball when it's flying over/inside the table even if it's clearly going out = you can touch/catch the ball when it flies past the table Edited by popperlocker - 11/01/2012 at 11:42pm |
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If the ball clearly passes the end of the table you are allowed to catch it. If the ball is caught over the table, even if it's clearly going out, the player would lose the point.
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It's not unwritten, it's an actual rule. The rule used to be that if you touched or caught the ball before it bounced or hit the ground, it was your opponents point. This caused problems: if Player A smashes a ball directly at Player B's body (not trying to hit the table even). The rule was changed and is now what you stated. If you touch the ball when it is still over the table, you lose the point (even if it's flying out), outside the table edge you can catch it.
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The Shakehander
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yes this was back when tables were green and it was to 21 :)
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I believe you loose the point if the ball is over the table or heading towards the table. So shot from the side - which may or may not hit the table cannot be caught - as it is travelling towards the table.
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Hmm.. I did not know this. It's hard to believe this rule, because if this is true, then I've given away many points that I should have won.. I remember many instances where my opponent goes for a close to table block(paddle inside the table) and accidentally hits the ball before the bounce. He'll say it was going out, and I give him the point. I can't be the only person that didn't know "you can't touch the ball inside the table"?? Because about 4 or so people that I played with have taken my points
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Edited by The Shakehander - 10/31/2012 at 11:55pm |
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I don't see where "no touching the ball inside the table" rule is, and I don't see the "it's okay to catch a ball over the table" rule. Edit: okay I see it, thanks.
Edited by popperlocker - 10/31/2012 at 11:55pm |
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The Shakehander
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I'm agreeing with you :)
I've seen this at all recent tourneys and quite a few past ones...you can see it on youtube...there is no loss of point if you catch it with racket or body. heh...my apologizes i do that a lot *edit after posting*
Edited by The Shakehander - 11/01/2012 at 12:00am |
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This may be over the top, but if there isn't an umpire present in a tournament match. To avoid any misunderstanding, we should bring our own cameras and put them on the side. Just in case something like this happens.
I believe:
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= no touching the ball inside the table Edited by popperlocker - 11/01/2012 at 12:07am |
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Everyone who competes should be aware of the rule...you can download the rules from the ITTF site in many languages and keep it in your bag. Highlight descrepancies for future matches with people who don't know the rules. Camera is a good idea if you have to dispute the call. More importantly don't argue and especially DON'T let it break your focus...just make it known you disagree on the call and play on to win (hopefully) I do believe some players will make these basement calls if they can upset your focus...don't fall for it and don't linger on it.
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Put 2.10.01.03 and 2.10.01.04 together and you will come to the conclusion that catching the ball before it passes over the court is a point to the opponent
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around 1:35/6
Edited by The Shakehander - 11/01/2012 at 12:38am |
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Just looked at the book again, 2.5.8 has a clear definition of "obstruct", that is to touch the ball while it is still over the table
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around 1:33-6
Edited by The Shakehander - 11/01/2012 at 12:38am |
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OP is asking about "past" the table, definite lost of point if still within the playing area.
Edited by The Shakehander - 11/01/2012 at 12:21am |
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The rules see seem to support this.
So if you ever get into a super sidespin rally, don't let the ball touch you, even if it's going out!!! starting @ 00:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8odNpnYEJ0 If one of the guy hit it really hard past the table and hit his opponent, the opponent would lose the point. LOL |
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Just to be safe, let the ball touches the ground :)
I played league volleyball and at one game, when the ball was clearly out of the court, I stepped outside of the court and caught the ball but the referee told me that I should let the ball dropped on the ground to be clear that it was out, and rewarded the point to the opponent team.
I guess, for table tennis, you can catch the ball when it is under the table instead of on top of the table.
And to be honest, I don't know if any other sport can have lots of unclear things that can cause controversies as table tennis.
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Not at all. You will gain nothing unless your opponent's body leans across (impends over) the table. For more explanations look into the Rule 2.5.8 "A player obstructs the ball if....". |
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I make a point to dodge all incoming fire when playing... Saves having the argument.
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Could you argue from 2.10.01.04 that if the ball hasn't passed the end line, the point is not over? At 00:40, those shots pass the sidelines, but they don't pass the endlines. :)
Edit: Wait i think I understand now. Law 2.5.8 A player obstructs the ball if he, or anything he wears or carries, touches it in play when it is above or travelling towards theplaying surface, not having touched his courtsince last being struck by his opponent. The only way the opponent loses from touching the ball, is if the ball is inside the table. Okay I got, thanks for the clarification. Edited by popperlocker - 11/01/2012 at 11:25pm |
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Volleyball is a different game, you can choose to return the ball even it already passes the end line, so it was a foul of catching in your case.
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Get back to table tennis, if it's very clear like that in my case for volleyball then we won't have controversies that we have now in table tennis. I don't mean that other sports don't have controversies regarding rules violation or ambiguities, but in table tennis, there are more chances to create controversies.
I'm not complaining about it though since I love table tennis. Just hope that the rules will be clearer for everyone to enjoy the sport, not to create tension and anger when someone cheats and you can't do anything about it :)
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