Tenergy 64 vs Tenergy 80

Probably it is better the way you have it now. But if you try it and it works better, then go for it.  Only way to know.

Why not 64 on both sides?

Olio wrote: That's exactly my setup: T80 FH / T64 BH. T80 is better for serves, spinnier on loops, and T64 gives more power on BH away from the table (FH power is easier to generate by yourself) while remaining easy to loop and block with. No brainer for me.

I use T05 FH and T80 BH.  Sometimes I have turned the blade around and tried it the other way.  To tell the truth, it is not hugely different, just a slight preference for T80 on BH and 05 on FH.  I can definitely see why some people might like T80 on FH, but I really like the slightly higher arc I get with T05.  It is probably more a matter of being accustomed to it than anything else.  I have good power on my BH side either way, and for me I am a lot less picky about that side.  I like that I can keep the ball lower with T80 while still having good spin.  There are a bunch of other rubbers I could probably be happy with on the BH side.  I serve the same with any of them, but T80 does have especially nice feel in that aspect.  I still serve with the 05 side, though.  T64 is a bit too bouncy for either side of my blade (Viscaria, already pretty fast) so that I don't feel very comfortable when I am in getting pressured in a point.

This is one of those things where you can post all you want and get all kinds of input on a forum, but there is no substitute for seeing how it works for your strokes, level, and blade.

I tried on Maze and it felt closer to T64 to me.. I didn't like at all.

For me only T05 worth the extra money.

Baal wrote: I use T05 FH and T80 BH.  This is one of those things where you can post all you want and get all kinds of input on a forum, but there is no substitute for seeing how it works for your strokes, level, and blade.

Edited by JacekGM - 11/29/2013 at 5:55pm

There is a pic/chart of the pip dimensions for each tenergy, and I cannot find it. Anyone remember what thread that's from?

Baal wrote: What is interesting from this is that there seems to be different features of a rubber that different players see as the "dominant" feature of the rubber.  For me T80 seems more like T05 than T64, and a bit deader than either of the latter.  I am not alone in this.  Before I actually tried it, just looking at the shape and distribution of the pips, I would have expected it to be much more like T64.  On the other hand, there are other players, and not just one, who feel things like AMonteiro, and see T80 as more like T64 than T05 in general.  The other thing is that AMonteiro and I use similar blades and both ultimately prefer T05 to either of the others for FH at least.  Maybe we prefer T05 for different reasons?  That's why these days I almost never buy anything I haven't tried on someone else's blade.  Also, I have scaled back stuff that I buy that is not Tenergy.

According to the Butterfly catalog, T64 has longer pips and more space between them then T05, and T64 has same length as T80 and even more space between them.
 
That would predict that T80 would in every way play intermediately between T05 and T64, and hence a little faster and lower than T05.

It's not quite that simple in my experience (which now runs to about 8 changes of rubber where I put T80 black on one side, and T05 red on the other, all in 2.1 mm thickness).  On another thread Andy Smith used the term "muted" to describe how T80 felt relative to T05.  I think that is the right word.  Very slightly deader, whereas T64 is more lively and "bouncy".  It is that very property of T80 that is why I like it on BH, and I can immediately tell if by not paying attention I may have turned my racket around, for example if I am coaching someone or just blocking mindlessly.  Having said that, I think T80 plays a little lower than T05, but now quite as much as T64, so in that sense it is intermediate.  All three can give lots of spin. 

Haggis once took pictures of the of two sets of top sheets removed from the sponge and noted the shapes seemed a little different between 80 and 05, with respect to taper.  He thought that T80 had a wider base but then tapered faster and weas longer.    

In short, I don't believe necessarily that Butterfly is giving us everything there is to know about the differences in the various Tenergy versions in their catalog.  I think they came up with a simplified version useful for marketing.    

Yep.  It is amazing how important pip structure is.

haggisv wrote: I also think T80 is closer to T05 than T64. For the short game the T80 is far less bouncy compared to T64, and a little less than T80. I think it can just as easily be used for FH or BH, but the higher level players I know prefer on BH, and go for T05 or T64 for forehand.