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    Posted: 02/28/2014 at 4:13pm
I think I remember a while back Dima openly admitting that he boosts his rubbers. 
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FWIW, at Spin NYC, Timo Boll had mentioned to me that he chooses the heaviest T05 sheets available.

Regarding Dima, I'd love to believe he does not boost, but looking at this game, I find that unlikely:




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Sorry, might help if I clicked the links you provided. 

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Eugene is currently using T05 SP on forehand and backhand. He "primes" his forehand with 4 layers of DHS water-based glue. He boosts on his backhand only. He turned over his Viscaria(forehand side as backhand and vice versa) to use after playing Fan Zhendong at the Grand Final in Doha, citing that the idea flashed into his mind during training.

Where'd you get this info?

This is really interesting. 
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Dima is a strong guy but he can't wear out a new sheet of tenergy in two days. Also he does not select one in ten. But I actually agree with you that this is the general process. They get hand picked rubbers, from the middle of the big sheet (say 4 by 4 feet), where material is most homogeneous. Butterfly already sends them hand picked rubbers (packaged in bulk like somebody said), so Dima does not have to throw out 9 out of 10 sheets. 
But this is not the same as boosting or tuning, and does not seem unfair to me. All this mambo jumbo about the magic rubbers that the pros use is .. exactly that - mambo jambo.
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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

pimples, where do you get this inside information about the pros?
assi, from sponsored higher level players in Germany who receive rubbers that are different than the off-the shelve ones we buy. They also sometimes poractice with the pros or know them through their sponsors and their rubbers are another level up.


It was posted on one of the European forums that a forummer directly asked Dima Ovtcharov about his Tenergies and Dima had said that he used regular Tenergies but meticulously selected by weight and uniformity and feeling. He said something along the lines that he chooses approximately one out of ten by weight, by looking at it and by feeling (he meant feeling it with his fingers).

Which posed the question - if he (as elite players do) changes his rubbers after every day or two of practicing, that means he needs 7 rubbers per week. Well, let's say only 5. That means that every week he has to go through 50 brand new rubbers, open them all up, weigh them and probe them with his fingers. What do they do with the other 45 rubbers? The plastic envelopes are cut, rubbers are taken out of the package... I guess they buy so many for his club and he is given first choice. And maybe someone else is weighing them for him... Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/28/2014 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

That scoreboard.
I assume it's a normal monitor hooked up to a PC. Is the software generally available?


If I remember correctly, it is controlled via a tablet (ipad I think).  There is a small box (maybe a roku, or apple tv or something similar) connected to the TV that you can see on top.
That's all I know.


Will Shortz (the owner) told me that it was a custom app they had programmed and it's synced to the TV's wirelessly via Apple TV from an iPad.


Thanks to both of you. It gives me a couple of ideas.
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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

pimples, where do you get this inside information about the pros?
assi, from sponsored higher level players in Germany who receive rubbers that are different than the off-the shelve ones we buy. They also sometimes poractice with the pros or know them through their sponsors and their rubbers are another level up.
I don't know - a while back we volunteered on one of the Killerspin events. My friend who is big Waldner fan was given the job to carry his bag to the arena. So he asked Waldner about his rubber (same argument was being made about pro's getting different ones) Waldner said no, it's the same and gave him the rubber off his racket. My friend having the same setup as Waldner compared the rubbers - they were exactly the same. 
Another, occasion an international event locally, one of the International players decided to sell all his rubbers after he finished playing - same as the ones we get to buy. The only difference was the serial number.
I was told the rubbers player receive are usually bulk packaged, they are not individually wrapped. Atleast, that's how this particular player received them.


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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

pimples, where do you get this inside information about the pros?
assi, from sponsored higher level players in Germany who receive rubbers that are different than the off-the shelve ones we buy. They also sometimes poractice with the pros or know them through their sponsors and their rubbers are another level up.
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Eugene is currently using T05 SP on forehand and backhand. He "primes" his forehand with 4 layers of DHS water-based glue. He boosts on his backhand only. He turned over his Viscaria(forehand side as backhand and vice versa) to use after playing Fan Zhendong at the Grand Final in Doha, citing that the idea flashed into his mind during training.

Edited by zeio - 02/28/2014 at 11:21am
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I really NEED to get my butt down there and check out tournament overthere :)
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pimples, where do you get this inside information about the pros?
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

I wonder if he boosts his rubbers.
maybe he doesn't but he probably changes his rubbers every other week.
Pros don't need to boost their rubber as they get pimped rubbers from the factory. The Tenergy that Eugene (or Timo Boll) gets has nothing to do with the Tenergy we pick up at a supplier
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Kewei Li (who of course, plays from way back so has different equipment requirement) used the Mizutani blade when I took a few lessons from him a few months ago - I thought he'd use a defensive blade. Nasty FH when he twiddles to using his Tenergy side.
Are you sure he wasn't just using it for coaching? Last year after the Badger Open final (which he lost 2-4 against Eugene Wang) I asked him about his paddle and he was playing with BTY Joo See Hyuk blade.
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Eugene uses t05 FH t80 BH on Viscaria last time I knew. 

Guessing Kai is Viscaria H3 T05fx?


I could be wrong, but l<span style="line-height: 1.4;">ast I heard he was using T05 on the FH.  When he got here I think he was using H3.</span>


Yes.

Most of the Chinese imports play Viscaria / H3 / Tenergy.

Bochao Li uses ZJK-ALC which is Viscaria 2.0. I'll check this weekend if his FH rubber is tuned or not.

Kewei Li (who of course, plays from way back so has different equipment requirement) used the Mizutani blade when I took a few lessons from him a few months ago - I thought he'd use a defensive blade. Nasty FH when he twiddles to using his Tenergy side.

Could someone (Andy.h, Purett, Kurokami?) request Will Shortz to start streaming his tournament main matches live? He gets the best players in the East coast to play. Should be good national advertising for his club as well. And I love watching Kai play.

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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Eugene uses t05 FH t80 BH on Viscaria last time I knew. 

Guessing Kai is Viscaria H3 T05fx?

I could be wrong, but last I heard he was using T05 on the FH.  When he got here I think he was using H3.
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Eugene uses t05 FH t80 BH on Viscaria last time I knew. 

Guessing Kai is Viscaria H3 T05fx?
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wang equipment:
http://www.butterflyonline.com/static.asp?htmltemplate=bio_e_wang.html

I wonder if he boosts his rubbers.
maybe he doesn't but he probably changes his rubbers every other week.
he has somewhat of a similar style to appelgren who's been mentioned a lot here lately.

as for the other guy, great rally but you could tell he was forcing it to the edge, which generally means at some point you crumble down.


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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

what blade did he use?


Both use Viscaria. Eugene used to use IF-ZLC prior to this.
What rubbers? H3 both?
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Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:


I heard that Kai trains at the Lily Yip TTC


You heard wrong...

I remember where I read it - in this thread
 
He trains at NJTTC.  Don't know if that is still current though.


Wrong again

I started that thread. He was much later, living with the owner of the Westchester club & has been affiliated with them since. No comment on his LYTTC story...

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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:


I heard that Kai trains at the Lily Yip TTC


You heard wrong...
I remember where I read it - in this thread
 
He trains at NJTTC.  Don't know if that is still current though.
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I find his footwork more amazing than his BH. He's going to gain some power as he gets a little bigger. He hasn't reached his ceiling yet.
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Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:


I heard that Kai trains at the Lily Yip TTC


You heard wrong...
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I heard that Kai trains at the Lily Yip TTC

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he is but hardly ever practicing 
i mean his level practice 
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Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

im just wondering how that kid stays that good without practice


He doesn't practice? I thought he'd be ever present at Westchester TTC ...
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

what blade did he use?


Both use Viscaria. Eugene used to use IF-ZLC prior to this.

Edited by slevin - 02/27/2014 at 9:11pm
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im just wondering how that kid stays that good without practice
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

what blade did he use?
Eugene Wang uses Viscaria.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

man, this guy has a nice away from the table BH

A bit unrelated to the thread but: he plays with soft rubber on his BH (T05 fx - I saw his blade last year at a local tournament). So does Bochao Li (ex-CNT, Polish Super League player in NJ) who has a good away from the table BH as well.

what blade did he use?
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