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On the new-gen 47-48 deg rubbers |
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slevin
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Posted: 08/02/2018 at 2:40pm |
I'd like this post to be about comparisons between these new-gen rubbers:
and how they perform vs the 'standards' (T05 & MX-P). Keep in mind that such comparisons differ based on what player has used before (particularly T05 or softer vs harder rubbers). All of the above have the new technology of thin topsheet with thick sponge. Have I missed any candidates? Of particular interest:
Some input from my end (I've extensively tried all of the above except #5):
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Great post Slevin. I haven’t tested all of those, but I do play extensively with either Joola Rhyzer 48 or Donic Bluestorm Z1. Those are my two preferred forehand rubbers on all of my blades currently. I really do like both. I felt like there was a bit of an adjustment for the Rhyzer vs Bluestorm, especially Rhyzer 43 for my backhand, as it felt like the throw angle was a bit lower, so I had to adjust my backhand flips over the table slightly.
Also interesting would be the brand new Gewo rubbers that just came out. Gewo Nexxus Xt Pro 48 And Gewo Nexxus El Pro 48. El Pro is intended to be more spin based, with Xt being more speed based. I have a sheet of EL Pro 48 on a custom ZLC blade I finished a few weeks ago, and it plays beautifully. The feel on opening loops is exceptional. Unfortunately I was not able to get it in a max 2.3mm sponge when I ordered off contra.de, and since it was put in stock on TT11 a few days ago it is already totally sold out. I intend to get some max sponge of both of these in the future, as well as the EL Pro 43. I’ve got EL Pro 38 on the backhand of my ZLC blade and I really like it too. I thought it might feel too soft to me, being used to 42.5-43 degree hardness sponges for my backhand rubbers, but it plays very well. I like the soft feel, as I really like to feel the ball being gripped by the rubber with openers on my backhand. I try to focus on very brush oriented spin-based openers on my backhand loops, versus lots of power, and I feel that control with lots of grab and high amounts of spin being generated.
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nv42
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To start off, the nanoflex series is from the same generation as mx-p and bluefire, The ft48 vs mx-p:
Topsheet hardness ft > mxp Topsheet grip mxp > ft Spin on full effort ft > mxp Spin in low-med effort mxp > ft Catapult/bouncines mxp > ft Spin on serves/pushes mxp > ft Now 1.mxp vs 2.t05 vs 3.aurus prime(ap) vs 4.nexxus El pro(nex) 48 vs 5.rasanter (r47) vs 6.hype kr pro(hkp) 7. Rasanter (v47) 8. Nano (ft) Topsheet hardness ft > mxp > t05 = ap > nex > r47 > hkp > v47 Topsheet grip nex > mxp > ap > r47 > t05 > ft > hkp > v47 Spin on full effort ft > mxp > nex > t05 > ap > r47 > hkr > v47 Spin in low-med effort nex > t05 > r47 > mxp > hkp > v47 > ap > ft Catapult/bouncines t05 > v47 > hkp > nex > ap > r47 > mxp > ft Spin on serves/pushes mxp > nex = t05 > ap > ft > r47 > hkp > v47 These are the rubbers iv used for a good enough time for me to give a decent feedback. Also, they are all my personal views after being tested on spinny limba outer blades (marcos freitas /vega pro). I play an aggressive spin based game off both wings, not too much of a rally player, 3rd ball kills are what I aim for mainly. Incase anyone has any sort of questions do let me know. Also, incase I goofed up anywhere, let me know, that was a lot of rubbers to compare :P Edit- just realised that slevin must have been talking abt the neoflexx eft48, my bad. I have tried it for a brief time, it has the same kinda grippy topsheet like the nexxus rubbers but has a pip geometry like v47. Edited by nv42 - 08/04/2018 at 1:07am |
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wanchope
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This would be a great thread!
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wanchope
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Among these rubbers, o7p is noticeably lighter than the rest, right?
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Argothman
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How does o7p compare to mxp on the backhand? I haven't really played with much else other than mxp, but after watching JWJ at the korean open, I'm inspired to try it! ;)
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slevin
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Yes, O7P is probably the lightest of this bunch of rubbers.
O7P is a lot less bouncy (especially against incoming topspin) relative to MX-P. More control and a bit slower than MX-P. I did not like O7P as much on Viscaria. I love it on MJ-ZLC. I bought MJ-ZLC with 2 almost-new T05 on it. The combo felt quite bad - almost no dwell and no control. I put O7P and the most amazing attribute (especially for a rubber that is known to be fast) is how much control I have. Surprisingly, it has more dwell while looping than T05 (especially against backspin). It almost completely negates incoming spin in loops. My main problem with fast blades (like MJ or IF-ZLC) was blocking within the table. Now, with this rubber, it is automatic. It also, somehow, reduces speed of incoming ball after impact quite drastically if you want it to. It almost feels like playing with H3 unboosted rubber on the MJ (in how it negates incoming spin). And yes, it is very spinny when you want it to be. The flip side: just like with H3, generating topspin against incoming topspin requires a bit more effort than with T05 or MX-P (but this is an easy problem to have). Mind you, these attributes are with MJ as the blade. Not sure how it is with other blades.
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Mickael
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Great thread slevin. I wished for it month ago.
Now i tried all rubbers except geo. Aurus is the slowest. Rasanter nothing special but does everything good but not very good. Rhyzer feeling is bad low throw and uncomfortable remind me a lot to calibra lt. O7P is good but focuses more on speed than spin and lower throw than 05 for sure. Z1 is the best it outperforms 05 and mxp on slow opening loops. And has the most spin on a full powerful stroke just like 05 and a more than mxp. So if Z1 is the best rubber nowadays what is its weakness? It is very bouncy above the table in 2.3. In 2.1 it is the best rubber in the world right now. |
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Mickael
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About the weight o7p is the lightest all the rest same weight as 05 , mxp the heaviest.
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Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL
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Kolev
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Does the Z1 smells like booster when new?
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SmackDAT
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Yeah, I call bs |
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rocketman222
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I don't get how these new rubbers, which are way more linear than MXP/T05 are easier to hit/drive with shorter swing etc, I found them to require way more work than bluefire m1/mxp generation.
Also there is no easy access to spin on these rubbers, the topsheet might be thinner, but its way harder to crack it. Most importantly they feel kind of numb and I like having feedback on a rubber.
Edited by rocketman222 - 08/04/2018 at 3:43pm |
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Hozuki
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Too much unnecessary controversy here. Fact is that these new gen rubbers mostly have lower throw and more catapult than previous gens, hence they perform better for counter-looping and short stroke counter play at the table. Looping underspin is worse. But some are still very different to each other, so it's not appropriate to judge them alltogether. I tried Aurus Select, Z1 and Rasanter R47. First two are medium-low throw, R47 is med to med-high, but that one felt like cardboard, slow and not much spin. Had them from a test set of a local shop, who knows how old they were. I liked Z1 best.
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Argothman
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Is the highest throw/highest grip (but also very fast) non-tenergy rubber still MXP?
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rickywinataa
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I would say nittaku fastarc G-1 is probably one of the best alternative for Tenergy 05. Its advantage over tenergy is the fact that it's very linear because of the hard sponge. Crazy amount of spin on hard loops but tenergy is still better at slow-spinny topspin
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rocketman222
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There is no controversy, fact is these rubbers are mediocre at the best. |
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nv42
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The nexxus feels the best overall rubber currently, especially if you take durability into account, also very close spin and speed performance to mx-p and to5.
If I had to choose, I guess the closest rubber to the nexxus from the previous gen is the aurus select, but sadly thats a med hard rubber and the nexxus El pro 48 sits in a league of its own. My only dilemma is whether this is an entire new gen altogether and whether to expect similar performance rubbers from other brands as well. |
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Mickael
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Among the old generation no rubber can beat cornilleau pro gt 47 in terms of spin speed control and durability. But it is as heavy as mxp.
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piligrim
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Mantra also should be here, no?
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Hozuki
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No, Mantra is regular japanese rubber, very linear, requires much more effort and brushing to make a good shot, but contrary to these new-gen rubbers, additional effort translates into higher quality shot.
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tom
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spin or speed than the Mantra but will take it if they come with similar level of control / consistency as Mantra. any candidates? Edited by tom - 08/05/2018 at 1:39pm |
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Kolev
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I definitely prefer my Mantra H over the O7P which is maybe the biggest disappointment I had recently.... maybe I was expecting too much out of it, or maybe it simply didn't shake hands with my usual (Balsa/Carbon) blade
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garwor
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Yesterday I tried first time andro rasanter r47 2.0 (at this moment it's rubber with best score on ttdb), looks too soft and slow for fh on andro treiber K blade(which is on softer side also). Good maybe for bh, also good for short/touch pushes. Good spin, but generaly produces weak shots. Still I didn't resolve throw angle, is it high or low, looks on harder shots throw is lower than on over the table loops.
Other users have similar experiences?
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hunkeelin
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stick with vega pro it's hte best.
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TT newbie
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Among rubbers listed in this topic (except Tenergy, please) which is/has:
- fastest when flat hit? - fastest when looping against backspin? - lowest throw angle?
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Having tried most of these new ESN rubbers their play is similar cause they are made by the same manufacturer and are really dependent on the blade you put them on. From what I have experienced there are 2 types of rubbers in the 47.5-48 degree category . One has a hard feel top sheet and the other soft. I prefer the softer version such as Omega 7 Pro . I also only like this new generation ESN in max sponge thickness . I really believe the thin topsheet is designed for the max sponge thickness.
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I started using the omega 7 pro on the last weekend. Still getting used to it. Comparing to the G1 that I've been using, it feels softer and less grippy. Of course, I only have a couple of hours' play so far.
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With O7P you really need to engage the ball aggressively to get the spin and speed.If you use more of a brushing technique O7P is a bad choice unless you want to use it as an Allround type rubber .
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wanchope
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Yes, I heard about that. Maybe it was a wrong choice for me. Is this true with all the new gen rubbers? You mentioned all of them are similar and are from the same manufacture. |
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Edited by garwor - 08/13/2018 at 11:57am |
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