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Topic: Butterfly Effort 70th Anniversary Edition
Posted By: Magic_M
Subject: Butterfly Effort 70th Anniversary Edition
Date Posted: 05/09/2021 at 5:13am
As some of you may have already noticed, the Butterfly foundation became 70 years old.
Therefore Butterfly produced a "limited edition" blade, called Effort.



As far as I know, they produced round about 7.000 pieces world-wide
  • 2.600 JP (Japan)
  • 500 TW (Taiwan)
  • 500 EU (Europe)
  • 2.000 CN (China)
  • 1.080 OS (Other States)
This would mean that they produced and sold 6.680 pieces of this blade. 
7.000 pieces would sound more logical due to the 70th Anniversary.
Maybe I forgot a region, which got 320 pieces.

I really like the classical and timeless look of this blade. 
For me it is one of the most beautiful blades in the market.



I also like the composition (hinoki - alc - limba - kiri - limba - alc - hinoki),



which is similar to the discontinued Kong Linghui Special, but with some noticeable differences:

- KLHS = 3+2 (without the limba veneers) while Effort is 5+2
- KLHS = much thicker (6,9 mm) than the Effort (5,8 mm)
- While the thickness of the outer veneer is nearly the same, Effort has a much thinner core

I am absolutely sure, that this blade is not only interesting for collectors.
I will also be a very good blade for playing. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 05/09/2021 at 3:46pm
It comes with FL handle only.

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Posted By: WingTT
Date Posted: 05/09/2021 at 3:59pm
Yeah except it's out of stock and has been that way for quite a while now.


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/10/2021 at 7:19am
I want one.

Btw can you guys recommend "similar" 5+2 with hinoki outer ply?


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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 05/10/2021 at 1:13pm
Chinese market: 2000 pieces.
among my pieces, the lightest one is 79gr heavy and the heaviest is 91gr.
Someone has a 92,5gr one which is probably the heaviest one


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 6:18am
I know that some retailers sold out of these within 1 day of listing it... these blades seem very popular!



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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 11:19pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Chinese market: 2000 pieces.
among my pieces, the lightest one is 79gr heavy and the heaviest is 91gr.
Someone has a 92,5gr one which is probably the heaviest one

How many pieces do you own? I just lost my count while reading your post...Smile


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Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 11:41pm
hype

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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 4:01am
some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

oh and to top it off.... the butterfly "foundation"?..... it's too much lol


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 6:05am
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

Thanks. I am not after brand. Used to have very positive experience with hinoki in the past on three occasions Miyabi 1ply, Avx J-Tech, 5ply with kiso on the top, Yinhe 5ply all kiso. 

For various reason, mains being lack of experience and EJ Shocked, but also light weight (under 83g), I changed to other blades. 

Really want to try how Kiso plays with ALC or other soft carbon. I know about 3+2 blades, where they come with thick core and having a thick hinoki on the top, builders don't have much choice but to limit the whole thing to 3+2. Me coming from slow HL5 blade, even classic BTY made ALCs feel faster than I like. So 3+2 with tamca, like Primorac would be too too fast.

The structure of Effort seems to be 5+2, suggesting that core is going to be thin. And that why I am interested in this or similar blade. Just to try it out. 

My main blade, I use is HL5, and have no intention to change it. It helped me to fix so many problems, wonderful tool. However this post is not about HL5 LOL


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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 6:21am
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

Thanks. I am not after brand. Used to have very positive experience with hinoki in the past on three occasions Miyabi 1ply, Avx J-Tech, 5ply with kiso on the top, Yinhe 5ply all kiso. 

For various reason, mains being lack of experience and EJ Shocked, but also light weight (under 83g), I changed to other blades. 

Really want to try how Kiso plays with ALC or other soft carbon. I know about 3+2 blades, where they come with thick core and having a thick hinoki on the top, builders don't have much choice but to limit the whole thing to 3+2. Me coming from slow ML5 blade, even classic BTY made ALCs feel faster than I like. So 3+2 with tamca, like Primorac would be too too fast.

The structure of Effort seems to be 5+2, suggesting that core is going to be thin. And that why I am interested in this or similar blade. Just to try it out. 

My main blade, I use is HL5, and have no intention to change it. It helped me to fix so many problems, wonderful tool. However this post is not about ML5 LOL

if you want something similar to hl5 with hinoki you can try the joola rosskopf emotion.
it's not exactly the same in composition but quite similar (both are inner composite with ayous core).

other 7 ply hinoki with inner composite could be
donic li ping kitex
donic waldner world champion 89 (it's spruce but spruce is very similar to hinoki)
nexy oscar

also I think butterfly cofferlait has the same composition as this "effort".


Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 6:59am
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I want one.

Btw can you guys recommend "similar" 5+2 with hinoki outer ply?

Identical to Nexy Oscar.
Mine is 90g.
Surprisingly, it's not too fast, just OFF. 


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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 10:17am
Originally posted by Jolan Jolan wrote:

Identical to Nexy Oscar.
It has a similar construction with a similar kind of material, but it is definitely not identical.
For example the Oscar is much thicker (6,3 mm compared to 5,8 mm of the Effort).
Oscar is stiffer and the curve is much lower if you attack hard.
I have tested both blades and in my eyes the difference is not really small.
This does not mean that one of them is better. They are simply not identical.


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Posted By: Bran
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 10:34am
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

also I think butterfly cofferlait has the same composition as this "effort".

Cofferlait is a peculiar hinoki-ALC with a 3+2 composition in the blade face, 5+2 in the handle, in all-hinoki, core included.

The Effort seems to be have a Viscaria composition with a hinoki top ply.


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/14/2021 at 9:27pm
Butterfly foundation is funny.
Garaydia Alc, Zlc, T5000 looks good too.
Hadraws handle are nice too.
This classic Cedar handles are the deal, even Soulspin makes them
For example for Nittaku, they looks so smooth and perfect.
But in terms of playing.... Im not big fan of construction and good upspin  won't be absorbed easily and if you say I am wrong its ok. There is too much pressure on 7ply hinoki-alc blade if they won't put ayous as a core...
But good luck with tournament- effortless play


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/15/2021 at 7:12am
I would love to see a little show off performance from people who already own Effort. Why dont you guys post pictures? ;)




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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 05/15/2021 at 1:37pm
Avalox J-Aramid has similar construction, same core and outer layer. It's a little bit thicker with 6.0mm. Great blade.. Still sold at some stores.

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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I am absolutely sure, that this blade is not only interesting for collectors.
I will also be a very good blade for playing. Thumbs Up


0 interest to have this tricket by myself.
1 - Today's blades for profi game are: Schlager carbon, Primo Carbon, Gergely, Garaydia 5000 and equals. I play myself with Axelo now, which also pretty good for its money.
2 - Blade produced in FL handle only is definitely not a profi blade, because more than 80% are using ST.
3 - It is always better to collect "history" via old and beautiful blades with proven skills instead something designer's money dream.

I am pretty sure there are enough pretty rich people which are able just to buy that item because of the prestige and not so much to improve their skills Big smileWink


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 1:30pm
those things come in 3 so after the Revoldia and the Effort, what gimmick is coming at us to complete the trio? 

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 5:23pm
Oh my god Shocked what happened with you?
Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

1 - Today's blades for profi game are: Schlager carbon, Primo Carbon, Gergely, Garaydia 5000 and equals. I play myself with Axelo now, which also pretty good for its money. 
2 - Blade produced in FL handle only is definitely not a profi blade, because more than 80% are using ST.
1 - Who wrote that the Effort was produced for professionals? It does not matter for me in any way, which blade is preferred by professionals, because I am far away from their skills and I am sure 90-95% of the forum members are also far away from professional skills. So why should they play with the same equipment like the world best players? I am sure that most of us non-professionals will play much better with the Effort than with a Schlager Carbon.
2- 80% of all professionals are playing with ST ??? In China nearly no one plays with ST. Viscaria was also available only with flared handle for lots of years. It is a bad blade in your eyes therefore? In my eyes Viscaria is still one of the most famous ALC blades in the whole world. What about W968? Also a bad blade? And nevertheless several European professionals try to get one (like Ovtcharov got from Ma Long)? 

Sorry, I don't want to attack you, but I can not believe what I read here.


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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 10:05am
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Avalox J-Aramid has similar construction, same core and outer layer. It's a little bit thicker with 6.0mm. Great blade.. Still sold at some stores.

Thanks, I could not find any similar to effort.

After looking at the actual photo of Effort, I have to admit that so called quality hinoki ply in the Effort was a waaaaay off compared to what you normally find in Darker.

Anyway, I went on and ordered septear feel inner, not exactly 5+2... its 7+2, however under 6mm thickness which I am looking forward to try out.


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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 10:26am
I had septear feel inner, I won't say anything. bought so you will judge 


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 10:47am
Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

I had septear feel inner, I won't say anything. bought so you will judge 

Tell me pls :) I am not planning to use it as main blade, more like a toy to have fun. I am interested to know what to expect.


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Posted By: brzecol
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 6:44am
Hi

I will try to give you small review. Maybe it will be something to point you into direction how the blade plays. 

I have piece no 404/500 from EU distribution. My piece is exactly like Butterfly described it cause depending on the scales I am getting weight from 87,4g to 87,8g (as far as I remember Butterfly quoted it to be 87g). I have checked it during one training with Tenergy 19 2.1 and Tenergy 05 FX 2.1. My main setup on daily basis are two Maharu Yoshimura IF blades and two Michael Maze blades so I will compare to both of those (generally on above mentioned I use D05 on FH and Rasanter R42/Genius+Optimum on BH). 

First thing I have noticed blade is very stable in Fh/Bh drills (drive). Especially on bh it has that nice hinoki kick that makes it very stable and very fun to play. Speed is hard to describe cause blade is both soft and elastic. I would say it is slower than both M.Maze and Maharu, but it's not entirely true in topsin game (which I will explain later). Short game is difficult. Elastic blade + hinoki makes it very lively and hard to tame. You need to have very good technique to go with it. It's doable but you have to focus much more (it's not automatic as I do it on my other blades). FH topspin is quite different though. First few went very long and very high up. Blade flexes a lot and thick hinoki top ply has something to do with it. Even on much faster blades (Spirit, Vicaria) haven't noticed that problem. Maybe it is adjustment problem (like I have mentioned earlier, used it during one session, only 30 minutes cause didn't want to catch any dents and keep blades in mild condition), but it might be construction. On Bh it was not so visible but still present. 

So overall funny blade and nicely manufactured but wouldn't replaced any of my blades with it if it comes about league play. It lacked stroke quality I have with Yoshimura or Maze. In Yosimura it's great rotation ability and nice curve in Maze table play stability and short game. 

So I hope you get some answers. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Although I am not planning to glue coverings again. It sits in collection and waits for better time :)




Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 6:53am
How much did you pay? (Just curious)

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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 6:56am
And thanks for the explanation. 

Btw I don't understand why people tend to blame or thank blade for short game. In short game touch is so delicate that blade is merely engaged, isn't it more about rubber?

Anyway


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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 8:54am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM
he said that this is feeling similiar to Harimoto super zlc, I really like him he is the best reviewer, but this review is biased but we must understand him, he is not very rich and he gets equipment from rich people so it will be good to give him more subs and love. His reviews are 100% ok but everybody must talk something just to get another equipment in future.

hinoki has good catapult + ALC which  add good catapult and special softness so you have
soft stiff hinoki and flexy medium soft ALC
it is too hard to slow down pressure when your opponent can play upspin service, but you know I had only 80 Hinoki blades so what can I say? nothing. 


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 10:39am
Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM
he said that this is feeling similiar to Harimoto super zlc, I really like him he is the best reviewer, but this review is biased but we must understand him, he is not very rich and he gets equipment from rich people so it will be good to give him more subs and love. His reviews are 100% ok but everybody must talk something just to get another equipment in future.

hinoki has good catapult + ALC which  add good catapult and special softness so you have
soft stiff hinoki and flexy medium soft ALC
it is too hard to slow down pressure when your opponent can play upspin service, but you know I had only 80 Hinoki blades so what can I say? nothing. 

it's funny he takes a 500 usd blade and puts a 10 usd rubber (hurricane III).
does he boost his hurricane III? (which he recommends for both sides)


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 11:59am
What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 

I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?

hard dead sponge.
not good for topspin game.


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?


hard dead sponge.
not good for topspin game.




You serious? Oh. Maybe you talking about regular Hurricane, not Neo?


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?


hard dead sponge.
not good for topspin game.




You serious? Oh. Maybe you talking about regular Hurricane, not Neo?

neo lol.
neo is the normal h3 with a little layer of glue/booster in the back.
remove that layer of glue and you have a normal h3.


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 3:33pm
So h3neo no good for topspin game?
Did you try to remove that glue and compared to regular h3?
I done this. It’s not same at all


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

So h3neo no good for topspin game?
Did you try to remove that glue and compared to regular h3?
I done this. It’s not same at all

it's almost the same.


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 4:44pm
this guy is poor but his quality is a lot better than all guys here in forum. I think he will kill you with spin with 10$ rubber




Posted By: brzecol
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 1:41am
Hi

Sorry to reply late but not always have time to go through forum. Duties and job come first. I have paid regular price that was announced it Europe. It was either 159,99 or 169,99 EUR. I believe it was first one so 160 EUR. I have ordered just after sale started in EU. I saw that some people have 3-4 pieces already cause they were purchasing from different accounts. There was limitation 1 piece per account/person. They have produced around 7000 pieces overall with different regional descriptions (EU, CN, US, OS, etc). In Europe 500 pieces were available. 




Posted By: brzecol
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 2:15am
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?

hard dead sponge.
not good for topspin game.

So discussing H3/Neo H3. One of the best rubber for continuous topspin game and counter topspin  game. Provincial and national version differ though a lot to regularly sold Hurricane 3 and not only because of glue layer. Sponge is way different (behaviour to tuning) also top sheet is of different quality. Rubber was designed to be tuned in first place (but many pros do this with Tenergies and other coverings too). Problem is not many people know how to unravel all of its potential. This rubber requires different stroke mechanics and it has to be full stroke. Every time full stroke so your fitness have to be impeccable. I used to play with Hurricane/Haifu Blue Whale 2 in provincial/national versions but since shoulder surgery I am not able to play with such a movement all the time. Otherwise I would never switch but now D05/T05 help me more in game in my current state. So called deadness of rubber makes it great in short/touch game and flick department. It only lacks speed in regular drive game but this is not big deal - as long as you are fit you can play top spins all the time. So I wouldn't agree that this covering is bad as Piligrim wrote also. Maybe you couldn't appreciate its strengths. 


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 4:36am
Originally posted by brzecol brzecol wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 


I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.


Why it’s terrible?

hard dead sponge.
not good for topspin game.

So discussing H3/Neo H3. One of the best rubber for continuous topspin game and counter topspin  game. Provincial and national version differ though a lot to regularly sold Hurricane 3 and not only because of glue layer. Sponge is way different (behaviour to tuning) also top sheet is of different quality. Rubber was designed to be tuned in first place (but many pros do this with Tenergies and other coverings too). Problem is not many people know how to unravel all of its potential. This rubber requires different stroke mechanics and it has to be full stroke. Every time full stroke so your fitness have to be impeccable. I used to play with Hurricane/Haifu Blue Whale 2 in provincial/national versions but since shoulder surgery I am not able to play with such a movement all the time. Otherwise I would never switch but now D05/T05 help me more in game in my current state. So called deadness of rubber makes it great in short/touch game and flick department. It only lacks speed in regular drive game but this is not big deal - as long as you are fit you can play top spins all the time. So I wouldn't agree that this covering is bad as Piligrim wrote also. Maybe you couldn't appreciate its strengths. 

funny how easy it is to brain wash the masses.
h3 is a terrible rubber, one of the worst in existence.
the sponge they use is super cheap/basic.

but............................... after 10 layers of booster it becomes a great rubber, maybe the best.

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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 7:47am
I think $10 price is just about right for H3 and any other rubber. At least H3 is priced properly, while other rubbers not worth $100+ tag price. This is what I call brain washing. People are tend to believe these products worth the price.

Never the less I support those who say H3 is not the best. If you have skills to tame H3, then you can play most of other rubbers pretty well, because you have precision and power.

I stopped using H3 regularly, still have it on my secondary setup, just for fun. But when I was using it regularly it was the time when I was receiving the most complains and compliments about balls being "too spiny". H3 - commercial without any boosting (the soft one, like 38/39)


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 9:04am
Where to buy this blade?


Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 9:17am
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I think $10 price is just about right for H3 and any other rubber. At least H3 is priced properly, while other rubbers not worth $100+ tag price. This is what I call brain washing. People are tend to believe these products worth the price.

Never the less I support those who say H3 is not the best. If you have skills to tame H3, then you can play most of other rubbers pretty well, because you have precision and power.

I stopped using H3 regularly, still have it on my secondary setup, just for fun. But when I was using it regularly it was the time when I was receiving the most complains and compliments about balls being "too spiny". H3 - commercial without any boosting (the soft one, like 38/39)

it's not about whether you have the skills for h3 or not, whether you can tame it or not.
it's just not designed to be used in the way pros play.
they need something that will make most of the work for them.
hence they boost or they use other rubbers like dignics.

for 10$ you can get very good rubbers.
just not from dhs.
you need to go to brands like palio, 729, yinhe.


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 5:00am
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Where to buy this blade?

From the start, I knew there will be lot of speculation on this blade. Some people bought many pieces just for reselling them immediately for twice the price. So now, it is not possible to find it for less than 250 EUR on Ebay.
Collectors will keep them, players who don't like the blade after trying will sell them but in a used condition. 
The others are just speculators.


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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 6:03am
Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I think $10 price is just about right for H3 and any other rubber. At least H3 is priced properly, while other rubbers not worth $100+ tag price. This is what I call brain washing. People are tend to believe these products worth the price.

Never the less I support those who say H3 is not the best. If you have skills to tame H3, then you can play most of other rubbers pretty well, because you have precision and power.

I stopped using H3 regularly, still have it on my secondary setup, just for fun. But when I was using it regularly it was the time when I was receiving the most complains and compliments about balls being "too spiny". H3 - commercial without any boosting (the soft one, like 38/39)

it's not about whether you have the skills for h3 or not, whether you can tame it or not.
it's just not designed to be used in the way pros play.
they need something that will make most of the work for them.
hence they boost or they use other rubbers like dignics.

for 10$ you can get very good rubbers.
just not from dhs.
you need to go to brands like palio, 729, yinhe.

that's exactly where I go. Not because of the price but because 729 and Palio make good stuff.


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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 6:51am
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I think $10 price is just about right for H3 and any other rubber. At least H3 is priced properly, while other rubbers not worth $100+ tag price. This is what I call brain washing. People are tend to believe these products worth the price.

Never the less I support those who say H3 is not the best. If you have skills to tame H3, then you can play most of other rubbers pretty well, because you have precision and power.

I stopped using H3 regularly, still have it on my secondary setup, just for fun. But when I was using it regularly it was the time when I was receiving the most complains and compliments about balls being "too spiny". H3 - commercial without any boosting (the soft one, like 38/39)

it's not about whether you have the skills for h3 or not, whether you can tame it or not.
it's just not designed to be used in the way pros play.
they need something that will make most of the work for them.
hence they boost or they use other rubbers like dignics.

for 10$ you can get very good rubbers.
just not from dhs.
you need to go to brands like palio, 729, yinhe.

that's exactly where I go. Not because of the price but because 729 and Palio make good stuff.

-h3 neo is not a "bad rubber".
it's just not a rubber with "internal energy".
to play continuous loop style you need rubbers with internal energy, that practically loop by themselves.

-dhs could make their own "palio ak47" or "729 focus III".
somehow they seem more concentrated on making products meant to be treated with booster (h3, h8, etc).
after all 90% of the chinese pros are using h3 both sides... why bother making other rubbers?


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 8:42am
its funny when there is more info about H3 neo than Effort 70 
XD I will put review again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM&t=3s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM&t=3s


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

its funny when there is more info about H3 neo than Effort 70 
XD I will put review again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM&t=3s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwVSFgzrpM&t=3s
what a great review! thanks for sharing. it's hard to read and watch them practice at the same time. Tongue

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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 05/30/2021 at 6:25pm
I Really like him, he has deeper more professional wise info than all reviewers
I saw guy in Germany put the link on their forum and IT is good to see that people share his videos because more views=more reviews for him.
He deserve way more credit than he owns because he is better than all reviewers. I like Germany reviewer Geeblock or one guy who he has own review of Yinhe v16 aka maze clone. I forgot his name but his reviews are good too. He has less english translate reviews but still Has own Words and perspective. 


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 06/09/2021 at 10:15am
This is coming soon by special order only?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium" rel="nofollow - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/09/2021 at 11:34am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

This is coming soon by special order only?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium" rel="nofollow - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1
OH BOY!
Will people prefer buying that $300 series I (2008) collectible TB ALC or the 70th Anniversary TB ALC at about the same price? mmmhhh people will be torn.


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Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 06/09/2021 at 5:29pm
Well the naming is quite excellent since Bty doesn't usually make an Effort to actually release a new type of blade.

But I dig the simplistic look and it's always nice to see some new hinoki blades. However it's a pity that it is only a limited series.

Is kiri core confirmed? This looks more like ayous core to me. With 5.8mm total thickness and thick hinoki outer ply this might be a flexible blade. I can actually imagine it playing really nicely, hinoki grips the ball well, and ayous core lifts the ball. 


Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 06/10/2021 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

This is coming soon by special order only?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium" rel="nofollow - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1

Thank you for sharing my Tweet.Embarrassed I really appreciate that.

Meanwhile, I have heard 70th Anniversary Timo Boll ALC Special Edition will be available with FL and ST handle and not AN, but I can't confirm that yet.


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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 06/10/2021 at 4:45pm
https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=70year%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=70year


Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 06/11/2021 at 5:15am
Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

This is coming soon by special order only?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium" rel="nofollow - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27ubfgXoAAleAC?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com/status/1400318691615645704/photo/1

Thank you for sharing my Tweet.Embarrassed I really appreciate that.

Meanwhile, I have heard 70th Anniversary Timo Boll ALC Special Edition will be available with FL and ST handle and not AN, but I can't confirm that yet.


Here's the confirmation:



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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 06/11/2021 at 5:16am
There will be also 70th Anniversary Zhang Jike Super ZLC Special.

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Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 06/11/2021 at 6:09am
Indeed Butterfly seems to give the anniversary treatment for Zhang Jike SZLC. If these are the same price as standard ones I guess it's fine.




Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 06/23/2021 at 4:04am
I've heard from a Butterfly distributor that at this stage they're only planning to release these 70th anniversary Timo Boll and Zhang Jike blades into the Chinese market.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 06/23/2021 at 12:12pm
Probably BTY China asked for these blades to be made... 

The quality may not be better than the regular version, but with that logo, it means a lot to a lot of rich chinese fans.


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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 06/23/2021 at 8:33pm
effort was released for different than EU market.
There is 3 places:
China
GERMANY
Japan
So for me Mizutani 'or Harimoto '70 is coming soon.


Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 06/29/2021 at 1:43am
who is selling

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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 08/04/2021 at 9:57am
https://revspin.net/blade/butterfly-effort-70th-anniversary.html

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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 10/20/2021 at 6:33am
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Oh my god Shocked what happened with you?
Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

1 - Today's blades for profi game are: Schlager carbon, Primo Carbon, Gergely, Garaydia 5000 and equals. I play myself with Axelo now, which also pretty good for its money. 
2 - Blade produced in FL handle only is definitely not a profi blade, because more than 80% are using ST.
1 - Who wrote that the Effort was produced for professionals? It does not matter for me in any way, which blade is preferred by professionals, because I am far away from their skills and I am sure 90-95% of the forum members are also far away from professional skills. So why should they play with the same equipment like the world best players? I am sure that most of us non-professionals will play much better with the Effort than with a Schlager Carbon.
2- 80% of all professionals are playing with ST ??? In China nearly no one plays with ST. Viscaria was also available only with flared handle for lots of years. It is a bad blade in your eyes therefore? In my eyes Viscaria is still one of the most famous ALC blades in the whole world. What about W968? Also a bad blade? And nevertheless several European professionals try to get one (like Ovtcharov got from Ma Long)? 

Sorry, I don't want to attack you, but I can not believe what I read here.


Hello, nobody talks for attacks. Just for the truth. Viscaria nowadays is no more competitor's blade at best level, excluding some heavier samples, which are hard to find. All pro players upgraded their blades with thicker layers or + 2 more layers over the classic construction. Here in not the topic to explain the difference between FL and ST handles. Yes, in China players use FL because of the style, but if you see best 100 players in the world out of Asia are with ST handles by a reason.
Nothing happened to me, don't worry. I am just versus expensive new blades, which actually cost 100 times lower to be produced than the market price. I doubt Pro players will get this one like most of the players now are going to Primo Carbon ST, for example.



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