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42andbackpains
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Posted: 01/11/2015 at 4:08pm |
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I have been taking lessons from Shao Yu since i have converted to short pips on the backhand. Shao recommended i should try Stiga clippa short pips. This is the short pips he uses on his backhand and I tried using his racket for about 5 minutes and i felt i had alot more control when hitting backhand. His setup is DHS Hurricane forehand, Stiga Clippa backhand and Stiga Clipper Oversized blade(not produced anymore). The stiga clippa pips itself feels alot more softer compared to the Adidas Spin blaze that i am presently using. So since i am going to purchase/try the Stiga Clippa, i might as well try the Stiga clipper blade too. I see on the online sites there is 4 versions of the Clipper blade and dont want to buy all 4 versions. I am turning to the online community for help. Which version of the Clipper blade do you recommend and what is the differences in your opinion.
Stiga Clipper Classic Stiga Clipper CR (UV finished) Stiga Clipper Wood WRB (Fancy word for Hollow Handle) Stiga Clipper CC (Carbon Powder) 1. Do you find the WRB Head heavy because of the Hollow handle? 2. What is the difference between the Flared Legend and the Flared Master handle? 3. Which version do find has the best balance between speed and control and what is your rubber setup? 4. Do you find you have lost alot of control using the Stiga Clipper CC(Carbon) compared to the other versions of Clipper. 5. The Stiga Clippa pips themselves feel very soft(Pips topsheet feel soft) , Is there a comparable soft feeling pips. Thanks for all your help, just trying to find a good setup. Dont want to blow a wad of cash trying all the clipper blades. The XSF ball is the best Poly Ball!!! |
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Whats the best looping blade of attackers?
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schen
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If you want something similar to his blade, I would go for the Clipper Wood WRB, although I am personally not a fan of hollow handles and I would personally recommend the Clipper Classic.
1. WRB is noticeably head heavier than the non-WRB, but it's not absurdly unbalanced. Most people I talk to prefer the non-WRB versions of Stiga blades. 2. Legend is thicker, Master is thinner. Shao Yu uses master handle. 3. Classic Clipper has by far the most control and enough power for most people. Clipper CR (non WRB) is a good upgrade if you want something harder and stiffer. When I used clipper, hurricane FH and tenergy-like BH was the norm. Clipper goes well with a LOT of different pips though so you probably wont have a problem. 4. CC is a couple notches faster than CR and a bit too bouncy for me in the touch/short game. Offensive shots surprisingly have no problems in control. 5. You may want to try Spectol Soft (original) or Spectol 21 if you want a soft but snappier feel. Spectol is slightly less spinny than Clippa though, and if you want something similar but spinny/spinnier, Super Spin Pips 21 might work well too.
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42andbackpains
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Thanks for the reply Schen....And of course it would be Schen the wiki of blades and rubbers to answer my questions...lol Still dont know yet, i would like to keep the bare blade around 90 grams or lower because the Adidas strike carbon(89 grams) i have been using feels pretty good. Use the Classic and gain weight and more control....Use the Clipper CR gain speed and loose a little control....Clipper CC, lover of everything fast in TT and lose even more control....The dilemma And the WRB Handle......Hollow or not hollow Only thing decided is i will go with the Master Handle...Asian with small hands. Maybe i will buy them all and sell the ones i dont prefer... Keep the replies coming and Thanks.
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schen
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The control doesn't really vary too much between the different clipper models, they are all still very much clipper-like and you could probably play with them interchangeably without too much problem. The biggest difference is the feel - another way to think of this: Clipper Classic - Soft feel / medium speed / some vibrations Clipper CR - Harder feel / fast speed / little vibrations Clipper CC - Soft feel / very fast speed / almost no vibrations WRB and the hollow handle is interesting in that it may do the opposite of what you think: While WRB actually lowers the weight of the blade by removing mass from the handle's core, it gives the impression that the blade is heavier in your hand because the balance is shifted towards the tip, making it head heavy. The solid handle will actually feel lighter and quicker to swing despite being heavier because the balance is shifted closer towards the handle. But the hollow handled blade of the same weight will feel more like a hammer by comparison.
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42andbackpains
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Thanks Schen again for the reply. After your latest reply, i tend prefer more harder feeling blades. Thats why i changed from the Adidas Hypertouch to the Adidas Strike Carbon. So i would probably prefer the Clipper CR with a Master Handle(Non WRB) Just want the blade to be 90 grams or just a tad below. Last question, Which blade has a bigger Arc compared when comparing the Cr and the CC. My issue is that i found Shaos blade had a much bigger arc when compared to my blade. So i felt the ball was landing more frequently. I know everything will be slower when compared to the Strike Carbon. Thanks Edited by 42andbackpains - 01/12/2015 at 5:31pm |
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Softer and slower blades will generally have more arc than harder and faster blades.
You may actually find you have a bigger arc with the CC though because of the softer feel and non-cr treated wood. It's a bit tricky to explain but the harder wood of the CR will probably give you better touch, but the CC will give you better control and arc for your offensive shots.
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schen Do you know any replacement for clipper with more solid feel in other brand not bty?
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schen
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I was about to suggest the W7, but if you're not looking for BTY, perhaps try the YES? Similar construction, but thinner at 6.3mm with walnut instead of limba outer plies. I'm also certain Nittaku has something but I am not too familiar with their blades...
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BBKON, try removing one of the handles of ur clipper, and fillin the HUGE area with wood glue completely, re-assmble, clamp, wipe, let set, then test drive it. You will be amazed at how suddenly solid that blade became and how NICE SOLID it feels at impact.
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42andbackpains
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CC or CR...Might end up buying both. Anybody want to buy a Adidas Hypertouch and soon to be available Adidas Strike Carbon..lol
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bbkon
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my clipper is not wrb so i cant fill it
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AgentHEX
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Just FYI it's hard to learn how to create the kind of fast arcing offensive shot characteristic of >2k players using a faster blade. Any sort of speed in the blade makes controlling the degree of contact at low angles quite finicky. Good players/coaches can use those equipment because, well, they're already good and likely had some talent; and they probably don't recognize the difficulty for those who aren't.
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Baal
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Most people would say that a Clipper is a perfect blade for use with spin pips.
Wang Tao, one of the great SP players, used an Avalox buy I'm not sure which one. A guy I knew in China who played that way about 2550 player, used a Korbel. Another rubber a lot like Clippa but slightly slower is Butterfly Raystorm. |
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AgentHEX
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For the OP's original concern, it's odd that someone is choosing a blade just for the BH SP.
Usually SP on BH are a result of a stylistic choice to play off the bounce. It makes the BH counter simple & direct, but the primary offensive point-scoring mech is still the FH. Unless someone is just giving up on topspin arc, getting hard thick woods because they feel a certain way seems shortsighted. |
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NextLevel
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Feel is a personal thing, but I have generally found softer blades better for touch shots (Softer rubbers, not so much). To the OP, I would recommend that he start off with all wood and try to listen to his hand's vibration when practicing the shots. You don't get that kind of feedback with anything carbon in it. The clipper is not an inordinately fast blade, especially in the era of the 40mm ball. But it is fast enough and there is no need to reduce its feedback with carbon.
Edited by NextLevel - 01/13/2015 at 11:38pm |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Baal
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This is actually quite reasonable, but speaking for myself, I never found a Clipper to be that hard and stiff, although it's been a long time since I tried one, I remember that it certainly allowed for execution of a good forehand. |
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NextLevel
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Agreed. The limba ayous combination gives pretty good feedback. For someone who does both hitting and looping, it is better than a pure looper's blade.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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doraemon
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Coming from 5-ply allwood. I certainly feel that Clipper Wood is stiff yet soft. I needed to adjust my strokes a bit. In the beginning, I played worse with it.
But Persson Powerplay and Avalox P700 are not that bad (I did not need to adjust at all because they behave much like 5-ply). Clipper is known to be suitable for pips. Wang Tao used P700 if I am not mistaken. Edited by doraemon - 01/13/2015 at 11:59pm |
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AgentHEX
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The new clippers are 6.8mm which is assuredly fast. They don't use a hard surface, but that affects "feel" more than impact on the ball itself for >modest hits. It's not as bad as 6.8mm AND hard face, but loop drives will veer toward inadequate spin without instructional correction plus the usual over-brushed loops of course. Between various stroke-skills, high spin is the hard thing to learn. With blocking counters, you can just go fwd a bit more for extra speed, but that isn't the case for the very narrow athletic tolerances in arcing topspin. Edited by AgentHEX - 01/14/2015 at 12:23am |
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42andbackpains
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Due to my back issues,its a personal choice to play short pips on my backhand and i find playing with short pips a challenge. But this challenge is making me happy and excited to play again. I find myself getting better bit by bit every week even though i only play 1 to 2 times a week. I have played with allround soft woods blades since i was 12 years old. Now that i am 42 years young and on my 3rd comeback, i certainly prefer harder woods even though it may be at the cost of arc and control...Its the Speed Freak in Me... But i am trying to curb the Speed Freak in me by going to a slower setup. One of the main reasons i am changing from the Adidas Strike Carbon/Adidas Spin Blaze pips to the Stiga Clipper/Stiga Clippa pips is due to the overall softer pips of Clippa and more control with the Clippa blade. I am having issues with my banana backhand flips and my opening bh return loops. Yes, you can still loop with short pips(Shao Yu shows me every week it can be done...lol) Still dont know if i prefer the CC or the CR |
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CC its 5mm smaller so overall is stiffer and the CR from eacheng i think is provincial cos it feels light years better than the comercial version, i think this is for the prov team since its packed in a white box with no letters
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For some perspective, OFF blades are maybe 25% faster for hitting than ALL, whereas good attackers prolly have >twice the handspeed of passable club player. But that same 25% more finesse necessary for those spin shots is much harder to overcome unless you have the talent and put in the hours of a pro.
If someone has injury issues it might change things, but for everyone else without the natural ability to loop well there is a easier way to go about learning it. Edited by AgentHEX - 01/14/2015 at 1:40am |
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Which size of rubber is Stiga Clippa best used? Max, 1.8, 1.9? can you still get it?
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schen
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2.0mm seems to be the thickness of choice for most offensive players using Clippa.
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42andbackpains
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i have ordered both the CC, CR and Clippa 2.0 red from europe. My order should come in about 10 days or so. Hoping for the best. Thanks
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