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    Posted: 07/09/2021 at 5:25pm
When looking at the results of the "Nationals" in Las Vegas, I have noticed a lot of "defaults" in matches.  Often times very good players are defaulting.  Is this normal? 
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Originally posted by bigzeke bigzeke wrote:

When looking at the results of the "Nationals" in Las Vegas, I have noticed a lot of "defaults" in matches.  Often times very good players are defaulting.  Is this normal? 
The defaults this time were caused by the USATT switching the tournament format months after original prospectus was put out. Original format was ALL events were single elimination with consolation events for each event to guarantee  two matches for each person per event. Then one week before the entry deadline USATT announced that all events would be changed to RR to SE format in preliminary card. That changed  required roughly half the events to have their start times changed, sometimes by a 3-5 hours to sometimes the next day. Since people already had their travel plans set based on the original format there was bound to an excessive amount of defaults. 
This is my non opinionated reason for the multitude of defaults this year.


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also USATT rented too small of a hall and only had 46 tables...too few tables for a tournament of this level and number of entrants in multiple events...it is impossible to run a smooth tournament with these conditions
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In Korean amateur tourneys, while events are going on and all tables are in use (they initially assign groups to tables by number) the TD calls to two players for a match, or the 3-4 players for a RR group, hands them a piece of paper, and tells them to find a table.

The 2 players or the 3-4 in the group move out and look at the action, then in between points, will place their slip of paper on the scoreboard table and take over the court the instant the match is over. The wait is any where from 15-30 minutes depending on if there is zero or one slip of paper ahead of yours.

That ENSURES that all tables are used ALL THE TIME. They also have some volunteers monitoring the action and if they see people practicing, they stop that IMMEDIATELY. Korean tourneys in a city/regional tourney usually have 24 tables and 300 players for Singles, doubles, mixed doubbles and team event. They start tourney at 8 AM and finish at 8 or 9 pm usually, even with a one hour stop of play mid day for ceremonies, door prizes, and provided lunch.

In USA, the tables are assigned by number, players take FOREVER to show up (sometimes because opponent is in another match), take foever to warm up, and then must report back to control desk. The control desk has to figure out next match, call players, and assign table, players take forever to show up, practice forever before match, laddiie dottie laddie...

This system is inefficient and drags stuff out, especially if TD was too aggressive with shedule or was force-fed ordered to operate like that. (This was the case for 2021 nats)

USA people initially would really hate this system and go along with it... but in these conditions, ensuring the tables are ALWAYS playing matches and have matches lined up makes a lot of sense.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

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In USA, the tables are assigned by number, players take FOREVER to show up (sometimes because opponent is in another match), take foever to warm up, and then must report back to control desk. The control desk has to figure out next match, call players, and assign table, players take forever to show up, practice forever before match, laddiie dottie laddie...

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Westchester TTC (and probably other clubs) do pretty well with a hybrid system. RR group is sent to a specific table and told to come back when done. TD still need to find a table, but it also eliminates players hunting for 'good' tables (unless I misunderstood how it works in Korea). 

That works pretty well in my experience, definitely better than a system insisting on calling all individual matches (looking at you, pretty much all Boston tournaments...).
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