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    Posted: 07/20/2021 at 5:19pm
The German broadcaster Deutsche Welle made an analysis "The Marketization of Citizenships, a Golden Ticket to the Olympics". https://p.dw.com/p/3s7oA The 12-minute emission is devoted in half to table tennis and the Olympics. 

This should be interesting to the forumers. Sometimes we discuss who is which nationality. Well, "it's a sports nationality" as someone explains.

Changing the citizenship by athletes has its pros and cons, as it is explained. The pros prevail, especially in table tennis and the Olympics. 

As a bonus, the programme gives an insight into China's national team by Xiaona Shan.


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Interesting video! I know there are differences between the requirements for Olympic qualifications and ITTF Worlds. There are also huge variations per country.
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Hi,

I heard that Thomas Keinath became a Slovakian three weeks after applying, with all the rights and privileges of citizenship.

In the U.S., the average is 8 years.

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There is Amelie Solja's move from Germany to Austria, and her sister Petrissa almost jumped ship over disputes with the German TTA.
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https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/General/EN-Olympic-Charter.pdf
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1. The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries. They bring together the athletes selected by their respective NOCs, whose entries have been accepted by the IOC. They compete under the technical direction of the IFs concerned.
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

There is Amelie Solja's move from Germany to Austria, and her sister Petrissa almost jumped ship over disputes with the German TTA.
Amelie has an Austrian grandmother and moved to Austria because she didn’t see any perspective in Germany anymore. She has since played in Austria and she also serves in the Austrian army.
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4 players from the USA Team are former Chinese professionals. 
My feeling is they help table tennis in this country and wish them success in their TT business but to move here and play on the U.S. Team doesn't seem right.
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

There is Amelie Solja's move from Germany to Austria, and her sister Petrissa almost jumped ship over disputes with the German TTA.

Hi,

Amelie Solja moved to Austria because of Jorg Bitzigeio.  Petrissa's dispute was with Jorg Bitzigeio, resulting in his firing from his coaching position.

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Rules for citizenship can be easy or hard depending on the country. Because she had an Austrian grandmother, Amelie could get citizenship within weeks.

Both my parents were Danish, but I was born in the USA. I would have to live in Denmark for 9 consecutive years before they would consider me for citizenship, plus pass language and culture tests.
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Interesting note

Greece did not give Giannis Antetokounmpo citizenship for a long time though he was born in Greece
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Originally posted by Twiddler Twiddler wrote:

My feeling is they help table tennis in this country and wish them success in their TT business but to move here and play on the U.S. Team doesn't seem right. 

I listened again to the clip and made notes on advantages and drawbacks of people changing their country jerseys. The balance is clear.


WINS

Individual gains by athletes who
- make a national squad
- realise a dream of making the Olympics
- fight for medals in the Olympics
- have a long term contract with a good club
- have a longer sporting career
- have opportunity to win national leagues, championships
- get high(est) national sporting distinctions for their wins for the country
- are immigrant and can continue their passion in a new country

Collective gains:
- a new good athlete is an asset for the national team
- a reinforcement for a national Olympic team
- enabling the team and teammates an Olympic success 
- enabling the country an Olympic success
- Olympic medal means funding for the national association
- Olympic medal means grants for national youth programmes
- an investment into the future of national sport
- athlete's wins are profitable for national associations
- medals for the country raise morals of locals
- new fans are attracted to the sport by the successes

LOSSES

- it impedes national top level youth training programmes
- demotivating to train top national players as their places will be taken by foreign players
- talent drain for a country short in top athletes


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