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    Posted: 12/29/2011 at 3:04pm
Ok, so what are the effects of the pendulum, reverse pendulum and the backhand sidespin serve?

If I serve a FH pendulum serve, where will the return go to? My backhand or forehand? 

If I serve a FH reverse pendulum serve, where will the return go to? My backhand or forehand?

If I serve a BH sidespin serve, where will the return go to? My backhand or forehand?

They are returning with inverted rubbers and are not creating any spin in returning.

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Think...and all will be clear...

Also it depends what kind of spin you put on the ball

"They are returning with inverted rubbers and are not creating any spin in returning"

I suppose you mean your opponent? This is a vague and confusing sentence.

Ask someone who is just starting out table tennis to return your serve. Use your spinniest serves like the ones you describe. Your opponent will put the ball where the spin puts it.
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If I serve to like a return board, where will the spin end up on my side when I try the 3rd ball attack? 
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backhand, forehand, forehand. that's if you do the conventional ones.
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I was looking for the word conventional, thanks for that, now I can set up me 3rd ball attacks

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I thought you mentioned you were top 15 in the UK with a coach, how come you don't know this already?
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I used to always do Tomahawk serves, just needed to know if backhand sidespin was the same as reverse pendulum, because I never BH serve.
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Originally posted by A Touch A Touch wrote:

I used to always do Tomahawk serves, just needed to know if backhand sidespin was the same as reverse pendulum, because I never BH serve.

A good trick to use when reading serves is that to counter the spin, you always hit it to the direction where the opponent first started. So for example, if you are playing a right-hander and he serves a normal pendulum, he would be swinging the bat from a place away from his body into his body (his right to his left) to create the sidespin, and so following that rule to counter the spin you would hit it to the direction of his forehand (his right). Consequently, you can say the spin would always make the ball go the way the ends up during the serve (so in the case of the pendulum serve, the bat ended up from his right to left, so the ball would also go to where the bat end up, which is his left side or his backhand)

Does that make sense? LOL

P.S. Because of this pattern of returning serves, you may want to purposely do a pendulum serve knowing that your opponent will counter the spin to your backhand and rather hit the ball to your forehand, setting up a 3rd ball attack. Work's like a treat EmbarrassedBig smile


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Originally posted by glanden.zheng glanden.zheng wrote:



Originally posted by A Touch A Touch wrote:

I used to always do Tomahawk serves, just needed to know if backhand sidespin was the same as reverse pendulum, because I never BH serve.

A good trick to use when reading serves is that to counter the spin, you always hit it to the direction where the opponent first started. So for example, if you are playing a right-hander and he serves a normal pendulum, he would be swinging the bat from a place away from his body into his body (his right to his left) to create the sidespin, and so following that rule to counter the spin you would hit it to the direction of his forehand (his right). Consequently, you can say the spin would always make the ball go the way the ends up during the serve (so in the case of the pendulum serve, the bat ended up from his right to left, so the ball would also go to where the bat end up, which is his left side or his backhand)
Does that make sense? LOL
P.S. Because of this pattern of returning serves, you may want to purposely do a pendulum serve knowing that your opponent will counter the spin to your backhand and rather hit the ball to your forehand, setting up a 3rd ball attack. Work's like a treat EmbarrassedBig smile

this is a great tip but is this relative to where the ball lands in the other side ? Like the FH pendulum serve can be served on FH as well as BH of your opponent ? Or is that what you referred to conventional
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Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by glanden.zheng glanden.zheng wrote:


A good trick to use when reading serves is that to counter the spin, you always hit it to the direction where the opponent first started. So for example, if you are playing a right-hander and he serves a normal pendulum, he would be swinging the bat from a place away from his body into his body (his right to his left) to create the sidespin, and so following that rule to counter the spin you would hit it to the direction of his forehand (his right). Consequently, you can say the spin would always make the ball go the way the ends up during the serve (so in the case of the pendulum serve, the bat ended up from his right to left, so the ball would also go to where the bat end up, which is his left side or his backhand)
Does that make sense? LOL
P.S. Because of this pattern of returning serves, you may want to purposely do a pendulum serve knowing that your opponent will counter the spin to your backhand and rather hit the ball to your forehand, setting up a 3rd ball attack. Work's like a treat EmbarrassedBig smile

this is a great tip but is this relative to where the ball lands in the other side ? Like the FH pendulum serve can be served on FH as well as BH of your opponent ? Or is that what you referred to conventional
 
It still applies, this is what i learnt also but there is one last part to that tip and it's when in doubt play to the middle. This is basic knowledge.


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Originally posted by A Touch A Touch wrote:

I used to always do Tomahawk serves, just needed to know if backhand sidespin was the same as reverse pendulum, because I never BH serve.

That doesn't matter.  I mean, don't you ever PLAY people who use those services?  How can you get to top 15 junior in the UK without knowing how to return them effectively, which you certainly can't do if you don't know which direction they're spinning?


To answer your question, whichever direction the opponent's bat is swinging when contacting the ball, that's the direction it'll take you.  For example, a typical pendulum service from a right hander swings from his BH(right) to his FH(left) side, so the spin will take you to his FH(left) side.  This law applies no matter what service motion your opponent uses, since it's just a matter of physics.
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Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Originally posted by A Touch A Touch wrote:

I used to always do Tomahawk serves, just needed to know if backhand sidespin was the same as reverse pendulum, because I never BH serve.

That doesn't matter.  I mean, don't you ever PLAY people who use those services?  How can you get to top 15 junior in the UK without knowing how to return them effectively, which you certainly can't do if you don't know which direction they're spinning?


To answer your question, whichever direction the opponent's bat is swinging when contacting the ball, that's the direction it'll take you.  For example, a typical pendulum service from a right hander swings from his BH(right) to his FH(left) side, so the spin will take you to his FH(left) side.  This law applies no matter what service motion your opponent uses, since it's just a matter of physics.

Well, I was at home, experimenting with me returnboard. I was practicing the pendulum serve and when I served a conventional pendulum, the ball was curling right. I was like "what the point of a reverse pendulum?" So I made this thread, and now I'm fine. Don't need any more tips, thanks guys.
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