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stiltt
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Posted: 06/01/2021 at 2:38pm |
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Rubbers have become harder and heavier and it takes heavier blades with a low balance to compensate that. For example, a 97gr blade with a low balance will accommodate 105gr worth of rubbers without giving a head heavy feeling, it will feel not much heavier than your typical 85g blade with 2 45g rubbers because the low balance means more weight is located in the handle.
Some people will not accept that and the environment is pushing them towards that limit where smooth sponged rubbers are still fast, bouncy, spinny and yet remain light. What are those rubbers? -AK47 of various harness -Victas-vj-07-limber I am highly interested in that one and did not tried it yet. In smooth rubbers with 1.8mm sponge or more. what else is there that weighs 45g cut or less on a regular dimensions blade? ---------------------------------------------- Contributions below: Tenergy 05, 64, 25 in 1.9 Victas V>11 Extra Xiom Omega VII Pro Donic Desto F3 Bigslam 61second Lightning DS LST Mark V HPS Victas V>15 Limber and Stiff in 2.0 GEWO Nexxus EL Pro 43 Edited by stiltt - 06/09/2021 at 12:54pm |
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astaroyd
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1- go for soft rubbers.
donic bluestorm z3 should feel nice just to put an example. 2- you can go for 2.0mm. that takes some weight off, gives more control, still nice power 3- user rubber cement (one layer) water based glue is heavier and you need more glue to get good adherence.
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stiltt
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I have been doing 2 and 3 for ever, though using rubber cement on the blade only to avoid water on wood.
Going soft is another way but we should not be forced to go under 47deg which is kind of a standard to me since the Andro Rasanter 47 and Nittaku Fastarc G-1 days and I do not want anything too much softer than that, 45 being the lowest I'll go on the fh for example and I am sure we are a lot in that situation. |
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astaroyd
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classical tenergy 05 with a thin layer of rubber cement is quite light I think. if you want something significantly lower than that.... either soft rubbers or lower the weight of the blade. the lebesson setup could be what you need. (tibhar lebesson + evolution fx-p both sides)
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Is rubber cement good for those large/medium pored sponge rubber such as donic bluestorm, rasant? I heard that you can only use water based glue for this type of rubber. Rubber cement with thinner will damage this type of rubber?
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astaroyd
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yes I think rubber cement and water glue affect rubbers more or less the same. try not to buy normal rubber cement and add thinner. it's better to buy cement made for adhering photos or for decoration purposes. you can buy this in art shops.
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stiltt
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paper cement from the Best Test brand is what I use but on the blade only and on the rubber, I wait until the water based glue is all dry and transparent. Leaving the blade with the paper cement coat dry overnight ensures that no voc will trigger an alarm if tested a few days later.
Any more candidate super light smooth sponged rubber?
Edited by stiltt - 06/01/2021 at 5:16pm |
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shinshiro
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Victas V>11 Extra and probably Xiom Omega VII Pro, both medium-hard rubbers.
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TT newbie
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Donic Desto F3 Bigslam.
It´s very light, even in Max thickness.
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astaroyd
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when was the last time someone tested your racket? also never play a tournament with new rubbers. you glue, play at least 2 or 3 weeks with those rubbers, then you go to the tournament.
Edited by astaroyd - 06/01/2021 at 5:53pm |
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so why not glue rubbers with more anticipation like 2 months?
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I am not following, what value do we add by glueing 2 months before if it passes the test after a week?
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what value do you add by gluing 1 week before? glue once when you buy rubbers, put edge tape, only remove when you are done with those rubbers and are going to play new ones.
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When you asked "when was the last time someone tested your racket?", I found myself in the context of gluing followed by testing and I wrote about paper cement on the blade to underline that I like keeping water products away from the wood. Then I specified the importance of waiting a few days to avoid triggering an alarm. Adding 2 months of top of that did not add any value in that line and that's why I was puzzled.
It is important to underline that there is no cheating in that approach, All playing components remained totally unchanged and the blade is better protected, the weight is about 3 grams less which on the head is not negligible. I see no down to the method.
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Yep, it's a light rubber, indeed... Offers a decent amount of control, but some players may find it too soft and/or lacking power.. The Palio AK-47 (Red & Blue) , for me, is a better option .. It's light-weight, with 45° - 47° degrees hardness, and packs-in a decent amount of power.. Oh, and it's super-cheap.. JOOLA Energy Green is another light-weight rubber. I've tried it, and found it to be faster, and harder than Desto F3 Bigslam. Stiga too has some light-weight rubbers. Sorry, can't recollect the exact name.
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astaroyd
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My recomendation is try not to glue, unglue, glue, unglue. rubbers change their shape with time, they become smaller. also the glue residue stays on the rubber, there's the danger of breaking the rubber when removing the leftover glue. the best for me is glue once, put edge tape, play until rubbers are done, then remove the rubbers. this also helps with the habit of ejing --------------------- as for trying to keep the wood free of water.... that idea is nonsense. every time you play you are inserting water into it (sweat).
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61 Lighting is reported to feel in hand as lightweigh feather of a bird., due to a peculiar sponge formulation.
https://m.eacheng.net/61second-Lightning-DS-LST-p811165.html Edited by igorponger - 06/02/2021 at 4:50am |
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pitigoi
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I have studied the issue extensively and the best I found:
Victas V11 Extra (available at https://www.tabletennisstore.us/ and tabletennis11.com ) is a good tensor, 43g glued in max. I am happy with it on my BH (Rasant Grip was better but 6g heavier). BFY Dignics 64 also 43g glued in max. And I glued a T05 1.9 at 45g. These two on a slightly small blade. Mark V HPS is 42g in max. I glued these for friends and family and only played against them. I have also considered Nittaku Factive and Juic Nanospin II but did not get around to try them, and will probably not use. |
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Right hand: Stiga Allround NCT (74g) /Rasant Grip max/Talon OX red (total 135g)
Left hand, 2020-1: Stiga Allround WRB (67g)/Fastarc G-1 1.8mm/V11 > Extra max 158g Fitness Friendship Fun |
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stiltt
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thank you for your contributions pitigoi and all, keep 'em coming!
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The great thing about F3 Bigslam is the feedback you have through the sound. If it pops you know you hit the ball properly. Actually, when I get that big sound my shot is usually excellent. There are few rubbers that pop like it, I can remember Energy X-tra, Impuls Speed and Xiom Vega Elite.
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notfound123
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Victas V>15 Limber and Stiff are very light in 2.0. My kid is pretty skinny and doesn't like heavy paddles so he plays V>15 Stiff/Limber in 2.0 on a fairly light blade (85g). The overall setup is nice and fast, yet very light.
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Kolev
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I have just bought VJ>07 Stiff and VJ>07 Limber just because people say they were very light.
I am curious how would they play and last but not least the EJ in me wants to know...
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ludo
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Usually, any rubber above 47 deg (in 2.0/Max) will be over 45g.
The only exception I know of is V11 Extra (43g for max) but I noticed that the Max felt much softer than the 2.0mm. I always looked for lightweight rubbers without going for soft/mushy sponges. Even though, it's rated at 43 deg, the Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 43 (2.1mm) doesn't feel that soft while maintaining a very fast speed and huge spin. |
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pitigoi
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Do you have the weight of Nexxus EL Pro 43? A comparison to Rakza 7 soft would be interesting to me (but not to this thread that asks for 47 or more hardness). Edited to say thanks for the answer. Edited by pitigoi - 06/08/2021 at 5:58pm |
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Right hand: Stiga Allround NCT (74g) /Rasant Grip max/Talon OX red (total 135g)
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ludo
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Brand: GEWO Rubber ID/Model: Nexxus EL Pro 43 Colour: Black Thickness: 2.1mm Uncut Mass: 62.4 Length: 170 Width: 170 Cut weight: 43.5g (for 159x151... slightly oversized) |
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stiltt
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thanks for asking and answering pitiful and Ludo.
he said it’s harder that the advertised 43 so we’re all interested, I sure am.
Edited by stiltt - 06/08/2021 at 6:01pm |
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ludo
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Well, it's not hard either but compared to for instance the original Vega Europe (42.5 deg), it feels harder and much grippier.
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ludo
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Yogi_Bear has a pretty good review of this rubber there:
http://https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=gewo-nexxus-pro-43-el He actually mentioned R7Soft and compared both if that can help.
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astaroyd
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maybe this website could help you
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