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O! Ju Qian
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good explanation. now that you think about it, doesn't that tell you that heavier blades has more potential power from any distance compared to lighter blades?
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first of all heavy blade does not mean that its weight should be near 100gm,but where the balance point is.oc is abt 87gm but not heavy since its balance point is at the middle point of the playing surface which makes it a balance combo for offencing game.
most people likes head heavy(not over all heavy) blades or combos because it imparts more pressure on the ball than the balanced combo which make the player feel the ball better. and i must say that most of us cannot 1)transfer weight at right time(less power) 2)do not have right action(less control and feel) 3)move according to the ball or choose the right type of shot(whether to go forward or to lift up)for a ball. using a balanced combo does not counter any of these problems but a head heavy combo can counter first two problem. a light combo need perfect contact and timing and very fast action and not good for far away from table so it realy lookes like 1)if ur quick on ur feet u have a choice between both type of combos 2)if ur slow u should go for a balanced combo or stay close to the table with a heavy one to kill when possible |
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O! Ju Qian
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yea, i still don't understand why people think that fast stroke with light blade will give them power. I only felt myself cutting air but i didn't feel the ball at all when i use lighter blades. You don't get a lot of feel with lighter blades and impact at contact point.
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Now I understand why people prefer a havier blades
Today I tryed to play with very light blade. that was really bad.
I did not feel my hand - it was too free to move
Maybe it is good for fast play(not power play) niar the table - but for spins and contraspins - too light blade is not a good decision - FOR ME
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I have two blades that I like and use more than others. One is 80g ALL + and the other a 95g OFF blade. I can hit and loop well with either. Both feel well balanced, transfer ball feeling, and let me make my shots with good control. The heavier one DOES feel more powerful, but you'd expect that from an OFF blade.
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O! Ju Qian
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this question goes for those people who use fast/offensive + blades. Do you guys play with something fast just to suit your offensive style? I am also referring to people that buy butterfly equipments. There are some offensive players that would prefer to play with something slow.
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wow jc still hanging around havent seen you post anywhere in a while. i thought you had given all this up for green grass some where else
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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O! Ju Qian
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Nice explanation timd. I wonder if some people have a change of thought cause I do completely now. So, lighter blades are usually used by hitters and maybe counter attackers right?
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Timd
I agree with Danny Seemiller, thats good advice. |
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From Danny Seemiller's book, " Winning Table Tennis", in the chapter title "Choosing the Right Equipment":
Blade Weight
Blade weight is a combination of the size of the blade, its thickness, its material, and the density of the material. In general, the lighter the blade, the easier its mobility and the greater the velocity of the paddle on contact. Such blades are ideal for hitters who play up at the table and need to move quickly and decisively. In contrast, a heavier blade allows more dynamic topsin on loops, more stability on blocks, and usually greater speed on the ball. (A heavier blade swung at the same velocity as a lighter one transfers more energy at contact.) We recommend you use as heavy a blade as is comfortable. Remember, however, that the type and thickness of the rubber you choose, along with a blade will dramatically affect the overall weight of the paddle.
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thanks to sh*tty internet arguments like this, that i have learned not to bother with....i sleep better at night...
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Typically people who use two rubbers play in the 90-100g range because the rubbers help make up for lost mass. But old school pips out players would go around with blades in the 120-50g range.
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O! Ju Qian
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nice that some people play in the 90g range. 7homuz, i was just curious.
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I was obsessed with finding the lightest blade. I found out that andro sold a carbon blade that weighed 71 grams. When I got mine I weighed it and it was 67grams!! It was fun for a little while but the lightness of the blade did affect my strokes. Also, the ball contact was very strange. I would say that I didn't get very much spin or speed with the light blade. My strokes were lightning fast but the ball usually had weak power.
I have also used an old 7ply Chinese blade that weighed over 100 grams. Doing multi-ball with that blade was very exhausting. Since it was an old Chinese blade it was fast but not enough to justify the super heaviness of it.
Right now I use the Timo Boll spark which is about 90 grams and I think that weight is good. I can fell the contact and I can create decent speed and spin.
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7homuz
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lol, thats why i said i'm not saying anyone did that specifically xD i left myself a back road today (smart for once?) anyway, i do agree with you though, i belive his racket is a pretty heavy setup too.
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O! Ju Qian
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It's funny cause people would reply to you in a friendlier way if you are just innocently implying. Or, they will find you rather silly (but not to say that you are stupid) about what you're saying. Hey 7homuz, are you playing penhold or shakehand?
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O! Ju Qian
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no one actually said what wang liqin uses for sure. i was just making a bad guess or example, so it's more like "what if" sort of thing or "i bet." man, if i was saying stuff like "i know what wang liqin" uses, then people are going to get nasty on me cause I know for sure i have no prove, and i would not bother making any excuses. i am pretty sure no one thought the wrong way, so they just ignored what i said and continued to share their thoughts about this.
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7homuz
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yeah, but you dont know for sure. so i dont really think its appropriate to use that as an example or fact. i'm not saying anyone in specific did that (cuz i'm too lazy to go back and check every post) but just pointing it out if you dont know something for sure, its better to make clear that its a guess.
i doubt he use light blades too btw =P |
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O! Ju Qian
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we were guessing what the pros were using, but the main point of this topic is to discuss about the weight of your blade. You think wang liqin would play with a light setup? I doubt he does.
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7homuz
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haha yeah, i was kinda wondering that too... i was like... wtf... first argue what blades pros use... and now arguing what the weights of their blades are?!?! =O
anyway, my blades 79g, but both rubbers are 55 grams cut with once 2 layers of glue on it. (999/saviga and cj8000). i used to play with much lighter rubbers i.e. innova and sriver el, i can only truly tell the diffnce in weight when i am playing multiball or drills though. |
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creeder06
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i love the amount of hear say wang liqin uses a heavy blade so&so uses a light blade does anyone actually know or does every one just guess i bet if you wieghed pro blades they would fall in line with what we all play with a average of 84-87 with a few exceptions on both sides
i personally have had both light and heavy blade i like blades in the 85-90 range for a while i thought that lighter was better till i found i never had any control or touch and by uping the wieght just a touch i gained some touch and control
no i dont think that heavy rubbers balance out a light blade i think it throws the balance off even more to answer you question silv
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Just to set a few things straight, both mass and velocity are EQUALLY important in determining momentum.
The difference in the max speed a person can swing a 200 gram vs a 250 gram bat is probably the none. (relatively small amount of weight compared to the weight of our arm) If we were talking about blades that differed by more 300 grams maybe there would be a difference in the max speed a person could generate.
However, changing direction (acceleration) is slightly more difficult with the heavier blade. Which gives us the feeling of more or less speed. i.e. easier to move from back hand to for hand, start stroke, timing, etc.
So those with very short strokes may find that a light blade is faster to them because they are able to get it up to max speed in time to hit the ball, where if they were using a heavy blade they would still be trying to accelerate.
Those with longer stroke will always find heavier blades faster (provided same hardness, etc.) as they have plenty of time to accelerate the blade to max speed.
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todays been a rough day for him... arguments to lose, forums to close, rages to sook, an heroes to make
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O! Ju Qian
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Heh, is there something you want to share fatcomet? |
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O! Ju Qian
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I was wondering why Silvalis would be asking that question. Did you feel that you needed some weight in your racquet? Or are you simply raising questions for us to ponder about?
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O! Ju Qian
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I think the weight of rubbers is a different story. Now, you are speaking about making your loops stable, it is said that HEAVIER WEIGHT BLADES:( over 90 grams) are often more stable when hit off center and once accelerated, produce a higher speed to spin ratio for topspin attacking shots. I got it from this website http://www.gotabletennis.com/Blades_s/2.htm who was designed with the help of a professional player (Heather Wang). |
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O! Ju Qian
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hmmmm, 67g for an OC seems rather farfetched. I don't think anywhere in the market would go that low. Well, i prefer heavier rubbers even if i had a heavier blade.
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Final mass is whats important, so having Chinese rubbers or lead tape will help tweak the way it plays.
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