ZJK vs. Wang Hao WTTC 2013 LGL commenting

In Chinese...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yowOpK-_ls
Edit: found a much better quality vid from janus, exactly the same version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUg15ECMARE

Some interesting things he said:

1. ZJK's game is difficult for WH because he has stronger legs, which makes superior/more stable in the rally away from the table. Regarding this, Liu also said Ma Long is harder for ZJK because he moves quicker even though covers less area than ZJK.

2. ZJK's BH defense is also better -- he can withstand several direct hits from Wang Hao, which Ma Long can't do. On top of that, ZJK is also better in turning defense into offense after a couple of blocks. (I'd say that's a deadly combo )

3. Surprisingly, Liu says both ZJK and WH's shot quality is significantly higher than ML (1st time I heard something like that from anyone, let alone the head coach of the CNT!). He further explains that Zhang and Wang's shots are lower and closer to the net, thus more likely to win points (that's how "quality" is defined, I guess ), even though their shots are riskier at the same time. This is why rallies are shorter between ZJK and WH while Ma Long tends to have long rallies.





Edited by ZingyDNA - 05/21/2013 at 4:46pm

jrscatman wrote: Any comments from Ma Long since the end of the tournament?

So Ma Long is saying it's mental and LGL is saying there technique issues with his game against Wang Hao. So shouldn't LGL - have fixed these issues as he is Ma Long coach right?

I do not think LGL wants ma long to dominate. I think LGL likes strong egos because ultimately they dominate given equal skills. Ma Long is modest and I have had for a while the impression LGL considers him as a wimp and does the strict minimum for him, telling him the obvious without working much to raise his game. 

I think people read too much into their techniques.  It may be as simple as who bring their A game on a certain day.  Apparently, ML did not when he played WH in the SF.   But on any given day, I am willing to bet my morgage 3:7 odd on ML beating WH and 1:1 on ML beating ZJK.

I thought Ma Long has a winning head to head record against everyone on the CNT except against Wang Hao.

Ma Long had a successful tournament, took down a hot Timo and Koki. Why you guys constantly bashing him? If he lost to a world 100 like Ma Lin in an early round, he would deserve the bashing. 

suds79 wrote: popperlocker wrote: Ma Long had a successful tournament, took down a hot Timo and Koki. Why you guys constantly bashing him? If he lost to a world 100 like Ma Lin in an early round, he would deserve the bashing.  Did you guys lose money in a bet? that's why you're pissed at Ma Long? +1 to this.  The guy makes it to the semi finals, he loses to a teammate who is currently ranked #4 in the world, gave JZK a better match than XX did in the previous round and everybody is "What's wrong with Ma Long?" I think everybody is trying to crack the code of what happened. IMO it's really as simple as all these guys (WH, ML, ZJK, XX) are really really good, very close in skill and on any given day if they're hot probably can beat one another. It just wasn't Ma Long's day and he got bet. Simple as that.

Agreed.
Whao played very well this time. Better than usually and it was his day and not Malong's day.
MaLong himself said whao's handling was very good. Lgl told about the arc.
Wh's bh was better than before. It is the time i watched whao playing with lower bh arc. The best whao match in the last years.


Edited by ejmaster - 05/21/2013 at 6:39pm

Ma long wasn't mentally weak at all in the whao match. He was able to change gears when things were going to a 4-0.
He was able to turn the 4th set to his side going back to a fierce fh pivoting when the bh to bh rally was facing an inspired whao bh.
But whao service was very good and his fh didnt fail at the time to get in.
Everything that day worked to whao and Ma Long couldnt beat him.
But he tried confident and changing gears.
Just to feel MaLong frustration to realize it is not the day but your opponents day.
This is to watch the match. Not to invent theories.
Ma long himself said his handling wasn't able to beat what whao did. He is a honest guy.
I had never seen whao bh flat blocking the way he did it or bh loop with such a low arc. His fh get in was also lot better than before.
This is what happened.




Edited by ejmaster - 05/21/2013 at 7:21pm

Ma long wasn't pressured. He is having frustration because his game does not end in a winning point.
He is playing his fh and this time wh is able to win the point with flat active bh blocking.
In the meantime wh service placement and fh entering is very good.
The bh to bh rally what is supposedly to be in a 50/50 result is going whs side.
And wh is not failing this time. When his fh gets in he is scoring.
This match reminds the lgl kongl wttc final. Lgl was facing the kl bh and at the same time kl was scoring with his service and 3rd ball fh. Lgl lost with frustration about his more offensive game that time.
At the end Lgl also looked desintegrated.
This was in 1995. Then Lgl won the olympics in 1996 and some years later the wttc.

Edited by ejmaster - 05/21/2013 at 8:10pm

   To be honest, I hate ZJK because of his attitude. I also do not think he is superior than ML and Xu Xin, I think ZJK can beat WH mainly because WH doesn't have a super deadly forehand as Xu Xin. I like all of them except ZJK.

ttTurkey wrote: ZJK was once thrown out of the CNT because of arrogance

That's most likely not the case. The rumor has it that he was kicked out because of gambling.

xzws wrote: ttTurkey wrote: ZJK was once thrown out of the CNT because of arrogance That's most likely not the case. The rumor has it that he was kicked out because of gambling.

Take a look at 33:38

From the "Lui Guoliang- Psychological Warfare" vid;

How many chances? I didn't keep a count; how many WTTC singles titles doesn't require counting.