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H3 and TG3 (less) have a higher throw, making it easier to loop backspin and probably making it easier away from the table, but not as easy close-in. |
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donic baracuda?
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Oh boy, I hit with some H2 this afternoon. It feels really good. It wasn't the NEO version though. That might feel even better. H2 felt good from any distance away from the table, but it was the best rubber I've ever tried while topspin driving close to the table... Would H3 or TG3 feel this good too, but be even better for looping?
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Posted: 11/21/2013 at 2:30am |
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without any tuning done, straight out of the package: Haifu Whale III national version(pink sponge, not the purple sponge)
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I can't really do slow loaded top spin (i.e. using mostly topsheet to generate the topspin ) using Palio Thor.. it skids and dies off.... it seems to me that you have to always engage the sponge with Thor..
I used H3 Neo and TG3 Neo.. On DHS PG9, I think they are as fast as Thor... and not far away from expensive rubber such as Tenergy imho.. The fastest chinese tacky rubber that I have used is the Red Diamond (I forgot whether is LKT or KTL) it was quite heavy (~50gr for normal blade size).. 1st time used, speedwise it was like typical chinese rubber and quite disappointing... after much mucking around with the rubber... I don't know exactly what I did to that rubber... the rubber became speed monster.. even much faster than the typical tensor european rubber like STIGA, Donic, Joola... it was practically unuseable... hard as a rock and catapult like crazy...  |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 9:51pm |
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Thors is low bounce but very fast on OFF+ composite blade. Heavy like a brick but hits like Thor's hammer.
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My thor's came apart when I removed it from the blade.. also might be best on a stiff blade per TTDB reviews.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 7:44pm |
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I should stay on topic. Not saying Origin Nano is faster than the others but it has everything I want after EJing these types of rubber for 3.5 years (forgot to mention 729-08/es, 729-5, HRT Wujilong maybe some others). A new breed of 729. Only opened 3 sheets of Origin so far, all identical except one was cut uneven on the bottom. Don't let me convince anyone though because I'd like it to stay in stock. Hope someone will come along and say it sucks.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 7:22pm |
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Thor's sounds so tempting! I have a swing somewhere in between Chinese & Euro, so being able to utilize the rubber both ways would be great. $40 Thors vs $20 other Chinese rubbers though...
Haha I was discussing being able to loop both Chinese & Euro style, & I described it like, "Yeah, I swing both ways."
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I've used most of them. Thors is a very fast rubber compared to anything you can not deny that, not only is it a fast rubber it doesn't have a top speed limit caused by the soft sponge running out like most springy rubbers do..
Of the non Tensors the old Whale and Red Diamond are fastest, 999 turbo might come next. I haven't used 729 Origin. After that comes almost everything else in a very similar amount of speed. They are all very spinny, Globe 999, and most of the 729 rubbers are especailly good for actually winning games (very consistent). But none (again I haven't tried Origin) are anywhere near as fast as Thors and I assume Tau is also fast but there's some debate on that
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 6:58pm |
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How is the quality of Origin? I've been interested in it ever since it came out. 729 is cheaper equipment though, so is it consistent from sheet to sheet?
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 6:14pm |
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Tried TG3 and some 729s, boosted H3 is still unbeatable in terms of loop power, spin and control.
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I've used Thors, Grip-S, Grip-S Europe, XuShaoFa 999-LSZ Hurricane, BWII (All 3 versions), Vega China, Red Diamond, Moon Pro, 999T. I'm using 729 Origin Nano now over any of those, it's no joke, lasts a long time and I'm so surprised it's not way more popular, but have yet to revisit the DHS Hurricane series.
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I haven't played with Tau. I have SST God-Favored and H3 Neo currently mounted but on different types of paddles. I can tell you that SST God-Favored is hard and relatively heavy compared to H3 Neo. I don't consider H3 Neo or SST God-Favored to be particularly tacky or fast. I have tended to favor harder rubbers as time goes on. The first Apollo 1 I bought was extremely tacky and it held it tack for a long while. The second Apollo 1 I bought was a big let down. I think the first one tackier even though it was much older. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 at 5:05pm |
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Fast, a little tacky and consistent. Butterfly SpinArt !!
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How does 729 SST God-Favored compare in speed & tackiness to H3 Neo, Tau, Thor's, etc?
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Let us know the results of the your Red Diamond boosting ! It might help the bad sheets pay better or normal !
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Posted: 07/07/2013 at 9:24pm |
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If it makes a difference... I boosted up one of the 11 dollar commercial H3 sheets.... as in non-neo commercial, and it still plays very well.
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the problem with Red Diamond in my experience though is that every single sheet is very noticeably different. Some of them are very grippy, some tacky with no grip and dead as a rock sponge.... some really lively. I ordered it remembering how great I thought it was, and what I got was bull crap in a package. I've had 4 sheets. All very different. Which sucks because the good sheets are so good. Edit: I'm boosting a sheet right now to see what happens.
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well tau is certainly fast..
just for those that care one of the ex provincial players i know says its garbage.
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Does anyone agree Red Diamond is arguably the fastest boosted ? How about Friendship SST Pro Team boosted or not boosted ?
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My 2 cents....
Tau is def tacky chinese style TOPSHEET. If Hurricane 3 Neo was on Steroids it would be Tau. Similar throw and strokes with only minor adjustment required. I find Vega China Black to be Tackier than the red. Ive played extensively with Vega China. It is a good rubber. It is not super fast. I actually found it to be on the slow side, unless you stick on a super fast off++ blade. On Xiom Aigis (all+) I found Vega China to be to way to slow. On Xiom Strato (off++) Vega China felt great while most other rubbers were way to fast for my taste. Xiom Strato is a beast in the speed category. H3 Neo feels pretty good Aigis (all+). Not superfast, but its fast enough. H3 PROVINCIAL boosted with SEAMOON, I've tried this only on Xiom Aria(off +) It felt great with excellent speed and spin. In my opinion the speed China < H3 NEO < Tau = H3 Provincial boosted with Seamoon. |
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"You will be more than lucky to get 2,0 mm version." Edited by Zhaoyang - 07/05/2013 at 2:26pm |
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Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast
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PF4, it is the "end" !!!
http://www.eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=1197 PF4 secret weapon of china players, really Champion Maker. Best beloved rubber amongst china champions in the years 70-80's. You will be more than lucky to get 2,0 mm version. |
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Fast and Tacky is not a bad idea at all. It is just hard to do with the current regulations. If it still existed probably Transcend SP or even some Wang Nan would probably be quick enough with some booster. It might even still be on my bat too.
It is all relative really. No Tacky Chinese rubber is going to be considered quick when compared to other quick rubbers on the market and as soon as you mention 'super tacky' then you are going to struggle to find anything with real speed.
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Posted: 07/04/2013 at 6:19pm |
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in that case probably TG3 old topsheet if we are talking unboosted if we are boosting then its a close one between any of the Hurricane/skyline family and old topsheet is a must the new ones just dont feel right
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In proper context, what is the fastest of the super tacky rubbers ? Some are faster than others ! |
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fast and tacky is just a bad idea
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H3 Neo isn't as tacky as H3. Neither is close to as tacky as my original Apollo. I doubt any rubber is as tacky as my first Apollo from about 3 years ago but my second sheet of Apollo was that tacky and a real disappointment.
Tackiness slows down the rubber. The force that holds the ball to the rubber must be over come and it subtracts from the force that accelerates the ball. |
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