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    Posted: 10/29/2014 at 2:14am
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

I like Baracuda, T05 and Xiom V Tour on BH.
BUT is there any similar LIGHTER rubber? My elbow will thank you.


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I like Baracuda, T05 and Xiom V Tour on BH.
BUT is there any similar LIGHTER rubber? My elbow will thank you.
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let me reiterate. baracuda = adidas P5 & tibhar Genius (both are very identical)

if you want something much more durable and has better power, try Tibhar 5Q power series
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Originally posted by Jerem Jerem wrote:

Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect.

Rakza 7 Soft is much softer than T05 FX! Thumbs Down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTAbSFszL8

Originally posted by Jolan Jolan wrote:

Omega IV Asia, Vega Asia or Sigma II pro are very valid alternative.

I own an old Vega Asia. I played with it for maybe 1 month, because it's the softest rubber I've ever had Thumbs Down. Is O4 Asia the same hard?




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Omega IV Asia, Vega Asia or Sigma II pro are very valid alternative.

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I have a 5Q on the way but I have not used it. From the spec, barracuda is closer to 5Q than T05.

5Q is a bit harder (Where T05 is the hardest)
5Q is a bit faster (where T05 is the fastest)
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for the throw, 5Q is bit lower but should still be a medium high throw.

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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:


Thanks for the info. Haven't used R X. Will give it a try. R X is harder than R7 Soft?

Yes. It's a firmer sponge, but I find the top sheet yields enough to still give spin on soft shots. 
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Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Originally posted by Jerem Jerem wrote:

Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect.

I have used R7S and generally agree it's a good BH rubber, but Rakza X has all the same advantages you listed but a better top end and is easier to control when playing touch shots.  If you prefer to borrow power from your opponent, use R7S, if you generate your own, X is better.  tt-japan has both for around $40/sheet so definitely try at least one of them.


Thanks for the info. Haven't used R X. Will give it a try. R X is harder than R7 Soft?
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Originally posted by Jerem Jerem wrote:

Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect.

I have used R7S and generally agree it's a good BH rubber, but Rakza X has all the same advantages you listed but a better top end and is easier to control when playing touch shots.  If you prefer to borrow power from your opponent, use R7S, if you generate your own, X is better.  tt-japan has both for around $40/sheet so definitely try at least one of them.
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Originally posted by Jerem Jerem wrote:

Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect.


I have used R7 Soft as my BH rubber for some time. Very nice control & spin. Speed is also enough. It works very well on hard blades. I switched to G1 as my BH rubber recently because of my new blade, Timo Boll ZLF, which is pretty flexy.
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Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect.
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Rakza X is another good choice.  I just finished my second week with it and it's neck and neck with my other favorite BH rubbers, Acuda S1 Turbo and T05.  Close to the table it's great at flicks and short pushes with better touch than Tenergy 05, but has similar power away from the table. 
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

Tenergy 05 max (not FX) is your best choice if you want similar but better. Bite the bullet and pay the price. It lasts twice as long anyway. 


+1 I recently switched from Barracuda to T05 (I actually played with T05 before the Barracuda too). It's the closest rubber I've found; in fact, I can switch between paddles in the same practice session with minimal adjustment. It's just a little more powerful.

If you can't find a good replacement, then stick with Barracuda. Just because it's not new doesn't mean it's not a great rubber.
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Everything will have a lower throw angle than Baracuda. With that in mind, Xiom Sigma 2 Euro is the rubber you are looking for.

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber.

T05 is a good rubber, however I don't think it suits everyone. I also think it a bit expensive for what you get, there are many great Bh rubbers out there for a much cheaper cost!
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Originally posted by singody singody wrote:

Rasant Grip is great choice, the only problem is that it is quite heavy as most of forehand rubbers. If you do not care about the weight, go Rasant grip. Or, P7, but P7 is really pricey IMO.



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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber.


They also need to quickly drop 20-30 years, 20-30 pounds and pump up their physique... right away! and stop blaming the equipment for the fact that you cannot run 100 m in 9.9 sec. Pathetic! Embarrassed


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Rasant Grip is great choice, the only problem is that it is quite heavy as most of forehand rubbers. If you do not care about the weight, go Rasant grip. Or, P7, but P7 is really pricey IMO.

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber.


They also need to quickly drop 20-30 years, 20-30 pounds and pump up their physique... right away! and stop blaming the equipment for the fact that you cannot run 100 m in 9.9 sec. Pathetic! Embarrassed
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Try vega pro, has harder sponge than baracuda but softer topsheet and the feel is amazing.

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If your looking for similar to Baracuda, why not try 5Q?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber.

I haven't said that T05 is bad BH rubber, but your BH and FH techniques has to be on the same level, which is not my case. That's why I don't want a rubber similar to T05, but to Baracuda, which is more controllable.
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People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber.
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Some of you probably haven't seen my signature... I have tuned T05 on my FH. After 1 layer it's now faster, softer and more controllable, but it's still harder to play with on BH than Baracuda.

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I just went to Tenergy 05 on my b/h from using Baracuda for a long time and I like it. I play with a 7 ply all wood blade and never liked 05 on the f/h but on the b/h it is has more spin and more power than Baracuda, give it a try.
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

I have never touched a XIOM rubber, and I have played with almost all of them, that feels jumpy or lively as japanese rubbers. Baracuda is not a jap either, but its pretty springy. I don't mean to say Xiom rubbers are not good, they have good grip, good control and good power, but the feeling is different. I kind of like XIOM for FH, but for BH you may want something livelier. 

Tenergy 05 max (not FX) is your best choice if you want similar but better. Bite the bullet and pay the price. It lasts twice as long anyway. 


Sure, T05 is one of the best rubbers available. But it's a little too hard, bouncy & heavy as a BH rubber. Most people use it on the FH.
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Originally posted by carbon136 carbon136 wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Nittaku Fastarc G-1 is much better than Baracuda in terms of speed, spin & control. The throw angle however is a little lower.

I've just read about G-1 that it's not very good for looping with the topsheet only (like banana flick) and that's something that I don't want. Also, what about the hardness of the G-1, P7 and P5? As I said, they CAN'T be harder than Baracuda, which is softer than Tenergy 05. 

Has anybody tried the Omega V Euro or Asia?



g1 is a little harder than baracuda (5.9 vs 4.7). g1 rubber definitely has more grip and it's good for BH flick or looping.
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