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Baal
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Posted: 02/23/2015 at 7:59pm |
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Forgot to take the balls with me to work this morning (where my balance is). Bouncing off our Tibhar Smash 28 tables and off a granite countertop the Nexy balls I just got and and some XSF balls (made in April) bounced the same height. As I mentioned above, I can't find a date stamp anywhere on the Nexy box.
Bottom line as far as I am concerned: Nexy is an excellent seamless ball and you should have no hesitation in buying them if you are so inclined and like seamless balls. Round, easy to see, and nice bounce. I play about 90% of the time with XSF balls for 8 months now, and this weekend I used Nexy both days. It was entirely business as usual. Absolutely nothing was out of the ordinary compared to what I am used to. |
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Baal, did you get the chance to weight the Nexy balls? How about some bounce tests compared to XSF? Thx!
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Baal
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I am pretty sure that it is the same ball, but I have not tried a Stag per se. I have used XSF, Yinhe, and now Nexy, and I like them all and they all feel exactly the same to me. There is only one factory currently making these seamless balls, so it makes sense.
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This past weekend I was at a tournament that used Stag seamless balls. I assume that these are of the same Xushaofa family. I am pleased to say that there was not one breakage during the whole weekend.
This is unlike my experience at other tournaments where they used Joola seamed balls. Almost one-third of those broke. |
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iakovka
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hi guys. today I officially started my experiment comparing first batch of X-fa balls with my second batch. I had 1b from 1st batch and 1 ball from second batch. Warm up was with both balls. Then I started my first game with 2nd batch ball. It broke in 20 minutes. Remaining 2.50 hours I played with 1st batch ball that survived. It is not representative enough. I will continue the experiment.
Next training I will start with used 1st batch ball and new 2nd batch ball. Let's see how long 1st batch ball will last me vs. 2nd batch balls.
Edited by iakovka - 02/16/2015 at 3:14pm |
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Baal
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Definitely because this way we can see if companies are actually making any progress. I was pretty disappointed by the Butterfly 40+ balls I tried, which were made in September but which are still the same crap.
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stevenjlyang
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Baal, you are right. ITTF requrie that companies add date code to box. anyway, it a good thing for player.
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Baal
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Steven the first two letters are supposed to be month and the last two year (according to Dr. Kueneth of ITTF), but some companies do it the other way around (year then month). X = 0, then A-I = 1-9. Maybe that's what you wrote in Chinese. Probably we are saying the same thing.
So far all the most recent ones I have are from April. Hopefully I can get my hands on some July balls. |
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stevenjlyang
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about date code information, i've learn it from Yinhe.
ITTF网站上有公布,XGAD代表0714(指2014年07月生产)。
A代表1、B代表2,依次类推G是7,X代表0 因为在赛璐珞时代,ITTF在市场上抽检三星球时经常发现不合格品(不圆、直径不够等),而器材商答复是超过了保质期。。。。。 所以ITTF借新球,强制要求器材商们在包装上加上出厂日期,这样就可以监督器材商了,这对球迷其实是好事。 据ITTF资料,以往的乒乓球例行抽检均没有一次通过的,都需进行复检。而ITTF最新资料,2015年初最新一次抽检,“许绍发牌”无缝球在例行抽检中一次通过(史上第一次),也就是ITTF注册的无缝球(目前无缝球都是一个工厂生产,包括Xushaofa、Yinhe、Palio、Nexy、Xiom、Stag、Hanno)的质量最稳定。其它品牌我就不方便说了,球迷们自己比较吧,呵呵 貌似新狂飙3海绵上也有AD字样,AD代表14年,希望这个回复对大家有用。。。。。 |
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I agree, it's probably the combination of the higher bounce and sensitivity to being hit with an edge that contribute to the durability issue for me, especially since during the practice when I broke 3 XSF balls we were doing mostly drills focused re-looping close to the table (which requires closed bat). This might also explain why Nexy seamless balls last much longer (for me at least), as they bounce slightly lower than XSF. |
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ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX
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roundrobin
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If you mistime the higher bounce of XSF balls, it's very easy to hit with the edge of the racket...
OTOH, hardly anyone hits the Chinese seamed balls with the edge due to very low bounce haha...players just miss the ball completely. Edited by roundrobin - 02/11/2015 at 11:10pm |
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I have broken them only by hitting the edge of the table very hard -- and a couple of time on very hard slams in matches where I am frustrated and letting it out.
For sure they don't like edges. But normally those things don't happen so I can use one for many hours. |
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You can break ten in a row if you hit them with the edge of your racket. I've seen this lefty looper at our club broke 3 XSF in one evening, hitting the edge of his racket one after another when he went for a loopkill.
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Baal
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Wow. That is bad. I've never been able to break that man of even the Chinese seamed balls in 2.5 hrs! |
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PALIO: XDAC XSF: ADXC
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VictorK
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I agree about the roundness and great playing experience of XSF balls. However, my experience with their durability is different than for most other posters. I break at least one XSF ball per practice - actually tonight I had three of them break during ~2.5 hour of play.
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Ok thanks. So this is not scientific confirmation, but my personal experience with a more recent batch is that the balls are round, durable and play great. I have broken fewer of them than I typically broke with old celluloid balls and FAR fewer than crappy plastics like the N-SHA. |
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Baal
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Oops, so it is. July. Sorry. Yes more recent.
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LOG1C1AN
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It is for sure printed with XGAD on the back of the box.
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XGAD is not July?
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Baal
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Probably it is XCAD, which means made in March of 2014, like most of the ones we see from XSF. It can't be XCAD because that would mean either the 16th month of 2014 or the 16th month of 2014 if they do it the other way.
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LOG1C1AN
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My Yinhe's are XGAD. I remember you posted the meaning of the codes somewhere, but there are so many plastic ball threads I can't seem to find it. |
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tom
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I am playing with ADXC, Mar 2014, ones and still only broke one since Nov and I live in Canada
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skip3119
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I saw posts that said the 2nd generation Xushaofa balls is better than the first generation.
Then I saw a post that said the quality of the balls has gone down - means the 1st generation XSF balls is better than the 2nd generation. Man, I don't know what to make of these. Just ordered the XSF balls from TTnPP the other day. (Don't know which generation balls that I will receive.)
Edited by skip3119 - 02/11/2015 at 12:13pm |
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Baal
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simple to check. look at the four letter code. By the way, I have not had any roundness or durability problems. |
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stevenjlyang
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2nd generation seamless ball is better than 1st generation, no matter what the brand is.
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stevenjlyang
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i agree with you. i also like XSF and Yinhe seamless ball after i've compared DHS, Double fish and Palio.
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LOG1C1AN
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I can't guarantee I have the most recent batch, but I am playing with Yinhe balls I just recently purchased.
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NoRema
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then wouldn't that just mean you don't have the most recent batch? i'm saying their quality has gone down with the recent batch. i never got to test out the previous batches so i can't speak for those
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