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    Posted: 09/23/2017 at 8:47am
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Hi Baal,

do you still know the exact handle thickness and wideness of your 2 special ST Viscaria blades ? 

The wideness of old Viscaria ST handle is the biggest I have seen. It is too wide for normal big hands, also too wide for Timo Boll's hand. That's why butterfly came out with a new blade called Spirit ST. In the catalogue of the year around 2000 when this blade came out- there is short a lyric about the handle optimization.  But butterfly will never tell the real dimensions. Spirit ST and ALC ST handle is somehow for smaller hands optimal- it seems to me that it was not build for normal average sized hands.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/22/2017 at 10:08pm
There can't be many of those floating around.  In fact, I had two made just like it, back when Btfly would still make custom blades to order.  It turns out, I didn't like them and sold them for just under what they cost me to have them made (~$250 each).  The guy who bought them turned around and put them on Ebay for 600 pounds sterling, each. 

At first I thought this might be one of those blades but the ones I had were serial number series P and the on that kakapo links to are N.

Here is a picture of my old custom ST blades.  I am pretty sure I would have liked the ones you guys made with Stiga and Banda handles better!  The ST handles on my custom blades were very uncomfortable and very disappointing, and (it turns out) nothing like the ST handles on the original Viscara ST (something that really angered me).




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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Maybe some MYTT members already knew it but I didn't.
It is possible to order a Viscaria custom made blade with ST handle and BTY certificate here :
 
 
Of course, the price isShocked
where is this website from? US or UK?
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Very nice. Almost as nice as with Banda Dacota handle --

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Edited by king_pong - 09/21/2017 at 1:23am
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Originally posted by timoboll86 timoboll86 wrote:

Viscaria ST is very expensive now

The conversion is easy.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/20/2017 at 9:57am
Simon, you are right, and he (or it) has repeatedly broken the rule about coming into other people's for sale threads to try to sell his own stuff.  All within about a two minute period.

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The poster above him is the more serious spammer (Leon Truon, linking to those very dodgy websites). I think timoboll86 must have something to do with him. 

If you look at those for sale websites (ending in 11), they are almost certainly fake and need to be reported. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/20/2017 at 9:46am
timoboll86 is almost certainly a bot (or someone acting just like one)  Every single post it just made is meaningless, or nearly so, a few words, and was made within a 30 sec period.  How do you post on about eight different threads within 30 secs? 

History now.
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Viscaria ST is very expensive now
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:


Viscaria are head heavy. Weight distribution not as good as TBS. Fact.


Seriously? I thought it was just the other way around.
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Originally posted by aunhh aunhh wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by aunhh aunhh wrote:

This is my Viscaria custom made. I have ordered from Japan
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1424592011184146&set=pcb.1424592571184090&type=1&theater



It is a thing of beauty Thumbs Up

How is if different from regular ones that you buy from Btfly?  Is the wood different?  The weight? 

I once had a custom made one with a different handle.
I ordered Viscaria custom made from Japan. Custom: weight: 87gram, handle FL, good wood- fish scale


Is it really worth paying extra for a fish scale wood design viscaria??? Does it play better than the simple one?

Anybody knows about this?

Here is a link:

http://ttnpp.com/store/home/818-butterfly-viscaria--7.html#/weight-91_92g

BTW is viscaria faster than TBS if two blades have same weight?


Edited by unstopabl3 - 07/03/2015 at 9:12am
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Originally posted by benspin benspin wrote:

This is the picture of my custom blades.

It like Viscaria custom made
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by aunhh aunhh wrote:

This is my Viscaria custom made. I have ordered from Japan
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1424592011184146&set=pcb.1424592571184090&type=1&theater



It is a thing of beauty Thumbs Up

How is if different from regular ones that you buy from Btfly?  Is the wood different?  The weight? 

I once had a custom made one with a different handle.
I ordered Viscaria custom made from Japan. Custom: weight: 87gram, handle FL, good wood- fish scale
Super ZLC Zhang Jike Razka 7 Razka 7 soft
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I ordered Viscaria custom made from Japan. Custom: weight: 87gram, handle FL, good wood- fish scale
Super ZLC Zhang Jike Razka 7 Razka 7 soft
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I have owned 6 Vis blades and still keep and use 3 of them. They are all slightly different mainly due to their weights. Attracted by the hype of Vis custom blade, I ordered one in Jan with Butterflyonline.com. But unfortunately I have not received my special order yet because they could not find the right materials to satisfy my weight requirement of 93 grams.

I personally prefer Vis to TBS (tried 3 of them), TB ALC (4 of them), TB T5000 (1) MM (2), and other less popular Butterfly blades after I switched from Stiga to Butterfly blades 3 years ago to better match Tenergies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/12/2015 at 11:59am
Originally posted by aunhh aunhh wrote:

This is my Viscaria custom made. I have ordered from Japan
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1424592011184146&set=pcb.1424592571184090&type=1&theater



It is a thing of beauty Thumbs Up

How is if different from regular ones that you buy from Btfly?  Is the wood different?  The weight? 

I once had a custom made one with a different handle.
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This is my Viscaria custom made. I have ordered from Japan
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1424592011184146&set=pcb.1424592571184090&type=1&theater

Super ZLC Zhang Jike Razka 7 Razka 7 soft
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This is the picture of my custom blades.

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Talk about hording xp ^


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Originally posted by panany panany wrote:

for sure not placebo^^
i know table tennis... im good player in france... not very very good ... but not bad too...^^
i dont know my ranking in USA i dont know what my level is in USA.. if someone know french ranking and usa ranking im curious know :)

i can feel if 1 blade better than another ^^ and for sure custom viscaria very different than other viscaria :)


I own about 6 viscarias.  And I can tell my two favorites from the others easily but none of them are custom. 
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:


Viscaria are head heavy. Weight distribution not as good as TBS. Fact.


Entirely a matter of taste.  Some people prefer blades head heavy.
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Viscaria are head heavy. Weight distribution not as good as TBS. Fact.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Although expensive, it's new at least... Embarrassed unlike ridiculously expensive black metal butterfly logo used ones, often contused, deformed 'n' dirty.



Old '60s and '70s Stiga blades are like the 1966 Shelby 427 Cobra.

Old Viscarias are like a 2004 Honda Accord. 

Would you buy a 2004 Honda Accord if I charged you a Maserati price for it?


Well, TBH, I wouldn't buy the custom Viscaria or old black metal butterfy tag one under any circumstances. The same applies to the (S)ZLC blades. I thought if someone wants to waste 360usd, it'd be better spent on the brand new custom made Viscaria ST instead of used ordinary one with black tag. Black metal tag Vis, big deal. Even ZJK has a newer one. Or even better advice: buy cheaper blade and the difference up to 360usd donate to the Nepal or people in Africa. Make someone else happy, it will make you feel better, too.

Also, I'm not nostalgic, sentimental or collector so I don't care about '60s or '70s Stigas either. Besides, I still have my grandfather's table tennis set I believe from the '40s. Are you interested in Ferrari 166 Inter Spider of TT blades?

Offtopic regarding Shelby Cobra: maybe Jay Leno cares about that oldtimer. I'm drooling over 911 Turbo Cabriolet, 650C Spider and GranCabrio MC. And, of course, selling triple priced Accord or Avensis is obviously possible in table tennis as we are witnessing.
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for sure not placebo^^
i know table tennis... im good player in france... not very very good ... but not bad too...^^
i dont know my ranking in USA i dont know what my level is in USA.. if someone know french ranking and usa ranking im curious know :)

i can feel if 1 blade better than another ^^ and for sure custom viscaria very different than other viscaria :)


Edited by panany - 05/22/2015 at 7:51am
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

...........
I have always been curious about what it costs them to actually make one of these. 


Not more than $10...
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Would you be able to tell them apart in a blind test, i.e. without actually knowing that you are playing with a 'custom' one? Just wondering how much benefit here  might be coming from pure placebo.
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haha i dont know this shop i never buy in this shop... just i know viscaria custom really better than commercial version... before in my club 1 chinese training with me.. and she get 1 blade viscaria custom in national team chinese... then i have try 1 time and custom model are really more fast and better feeling than commercial version 
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Buy a TB ALC ST or TBS ST instead. Same blade, way cheaper.

Viscaria has an older/different style FL handle shape compared to the TBS and TB ALC... Other than that they are all the same blade.

The difference people feel between a Viscaria, TBS, and TB ALC are the same differences they would feel if they tried multiple samples of the same blade.

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