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heavyspin
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Good point - can't argue with that.
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A slightly of topic post maybe but hopefully of some interest.
"Bragden" a swedish documentary focusing mainly on the national teams gold medal in 1989 world championship in Düsseldorf (it is actually 30 years ago today 4th of april) describes how the swedish training regiment changed during the 80s. During world championship 1987 in New Delhi most of the team got sick. Appelgren was to sick to compete in the singels tournament but Waldner did and managed to get to the finals where he lost to Jiang Jialiang. The analysis after the tournament came to the conclusion that Waldner had been playing the best table tennis of his life, in no small part due to the fact that he had lost 9 kg during his illness and therefore where faster and could use his forehand more. After worlds 87 the national team started more focused weight training to be able to be faster and more explosive. They couldn't plan stomach flue before every tournament after all . Off course the documentary does not describe the training program but there is an interview from 87 or 88 where waldner is seen squating 50 kg and stating that the plan is to be able to squat the double within 6 months which isn't very impressive but at least tells us that they did weight training with the aim of getting (much) stronger. For those interested - the documentary is avaliable on youtube with english subs.
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RDinTN
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So check out Ron "Bolo" Joseph - Professional Body Builder (at that time) and Personal Trainer doing some TT Training;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzv0upTasCw He starts at 3:51 mark until 5:01 Highest rating 2124, obviously he spend a ton of hours at the gym!
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heavyspin
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I never saw that one, thanks. This is my favorite Ron Joseph video from a while ago.
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RDinTN
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Glad I only ever practiced with him! Hate to have my opponent take off his shirt and flex on me, if I did that someone would call the SPCA and claim there was a bear loose in the TT gym!
Do Ron and Renata ever play in your area? She was a SOLID player!
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heavyspin
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Yes, I'm friends with Ron and have seen Renata compete at several tournaments.
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Heavy weights are needed in tt provided you have an annual calendar of training divided into phases. Pre competition phase is the one with the highest amount of weight and lesser amount of reps but it is also the phase where it starts going down (weights) up until the competition phase wherein your weight used is only the weight of the racket.
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Yesss!!! When I first saw this thread, I started thinking about the "Killerspin bodybuilder guy" but I couldn't remember his name. Thank you both for the videos. I like Ron but I take exception to his nickname Bolo. There is only one Bolo and that's the guy from Enter the Dragon USATT lists him at 1407 in 1994 and he's currently 2067. That progress is nothing to sneeze at! Regardless of his muscles or athleticism, you need to have good TT IQ at that rating range. It's great that he's maintained his flexibility and range of motion with that bulk.
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blahness
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His FH looks so similar to the unstoppable Quadri Aruna FH hahaha...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJqYv_SFxzE
Min.34:20 I also read in Gatien's book that weight training is important.
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Legolas
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Well, I am not a specialist, but my friend is a professional taekwondo fighter, and I asked her about what is allowed and what not. She told me that they have a nutrition coach who takes care of their food before the competitions and also the trainer who keeps up with their body state. They are not allowed to go to gym or something, because extra mass would take away from their mobility and strength. Also, gym trainings require a lot of resting and tendons become not so flexible, which affect their sport abilities a lot!! So, everything is a bit more complicated. It depends from sport type to type, but anyway.
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edgesandnets
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i have yet to see a compound lift video by a top pro that really blows me away. they all appear to be doing low weight high reps. However there are some pros (not in the top 20) that do have really nice bodies (although they don't post training videos)
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Same here, though I'm working to change that!
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Edited by Tt Gold - 03/06/2021 at 6:18am |
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Obviously nobody is going to be participating in powerlifting meets anytime soon, but NBA point guards often weigh ~200 and can deadlift 400, which I could possibly see ZJK doing. However, Dima and his lunges with 20 pound dumbbells (not to pick on him, but I feel like I've seen videos of him doing this and his body doesn't look that strong to me) is almost certainly not able to lift heavy.
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Zjk and explosive tt Players might have an advantage because their style is heavily dependent on strong legs, but Zjk doesn’t weigh close to 200 pounds (154 according to google). Generally TT players just have a weird built for weightlifting. There are so many muscle imbalances from training specifically for TT. Strong and big legs (at least some Europeans and a lot of Chinese), strong stable core, imbalances between the right and left body half when it comes to arms and the back, and also very tight muscles around the pectoral area.
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blahness
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Wang Liqin was incredibly strong from what I read, which is why he stayed relatively injury free (along with very good biomechanics).
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