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creeder06
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Posted: 02/13/2007 at 1:31pm |
yeah long live the bryce is better unglued than hurricane II glued
best macho libre voice bryce is that best, no it fantastic!!
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@Adambty, the reason I claim that you haven't used speed glue is in my previous post, cause if you had, you would know that Bryce and any other rubber pre-powersponges and that stuff, works much better with glue. Sure, as a noob the speed and spin might be easier to handle with out the glue effect, but that's another story.
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fatcomet
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so is there a consensus??
tensor =/= high tension just for the record etc |
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adambty
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I hope everyone gets the point now, it is not about who is right or who is wrong. It is about everyone should be allowed to state their opinion freely. Opinion should not be dictated by a group of people.
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*JC*
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yes, im quite awear of that event leeroy.
Sailers scared they might sail off the edge of the earth and such, etc. I also am not that fond of bryce, glued or unglued. I much prefer Sriver. I also thought your BK / Maccas thing was quite well done. While, adam/kens main point is that bryce is brilliant with out glue And while i accept that yes - some people might like bryce with no glue There is no way such a combination should be recomended to every player. PS: he also talks a lot of sh*t, mostly sh*t. Infact, all sh*t. |
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Leeroy
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JC, adambty is refering to a piece of history in which, I think Capernous (I know spelling of name wrong), a Polish astronomer, came to the discovery that the earth was round. At "that time" people thought the world was flat and everyone dogged Capernous theory on the earth being round. He was refering to a point in time or history .
Ok let me bring it to this time a little more for ya JC. It is like Maccas. A "large" majority would choose Maccas as the premier restaurant. But the burgers are better at Hungry Jacks (or Burger King). So the majority is wrong in this case..
Saying that I don't like Bryce as the premier rubber prob like the majority . Also noting I have seen some players kick butt with Bryce unglued. But every rubber is better with glue no doubt. I have played a couple of players having Bryce unglued and they have done quite allright with it. But Bryce glued is better no doubt. How much I didn't know. I played with a bat with Bryce both sides, one side glued and other not on a Joola Kool. I had it my hand but only tried it for like 1 miunte and only did forehand loops with the glued side . Spewing I didn't try the unglued side. The guy mentioned he didn't like the fact that the glue effect diminished on one side...
I would say that 729 40S Jap on a 9010 carbon blade is the best backhand combo, but everyone will laugh at me if I did .
Oh and 40S Jap speed glued is a monster on that blade . It goes from Lou Ferigino non hulk version to Lou Ferigino green hulk version .
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Leeroy
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{EDIT} Deleting incorrect quotation. Same post next with the correct quotation. Must quote before gets edited .
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*JC*
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Adam, you fool. Have you not ever seen a map. Does it look round? no.
If the earth was not flat, we would all just fall off. Globes are made round for convenience sake. So instead of having to to look all over a map, you can just spin it around, it also is designed like this to take up less room. Haha, and i thought your bryce issue was bad. lmao earth not flat. Your kidding right? I Just put a ruler down on the ground and you know what, it seemed pretty flat to me. However, just to be sure, i sent my friend in america an email, and asked him if he was upside down. Turns out he was standing upright too. Fancy that. geeze, some people need to go to school and do geometry. ____ = Flat O = Circle |
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adambty
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Speedplay, its not about who is wrong or right, its about rights of a person to present his opinion. If "majority" says opinion "A", does it mean that nobody else can say opinion "B" ?
Just like in the past, "majority" says that the earth is flat and suddenly a second opinion says that the earth is not flat ? so the "majority" is always right, nobody is allowed to say that the earth is not flat.
Sometimes the "majority" is made up of people in power, the rest are just followers who make up the "majority". Nobody is right or wrong, they are just opinions... Opinion A,Opinion B, Opinion C... etc
By the way, what makes you say that I have never used Speedglue ?
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Speedplay
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Actually, it's not. The Yasaka page writes this about the rubber: NEW ERA is a high-tech product consisting of Latent Energy Inside. We use a new revolutionary glueing technique to put top sheet rubber and the sponge together. It keeps the rubber and the sponge in a constantly expanded form. Latent energy inside and loads of BS off course, as always when marketing something but they do not claim it's a Tensor. Why? Look further up at my wall of text, there is a explanation... |
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Speedplay
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Might as well make that 3 problems, cause you can count me in on it. Note: I have never tried Bryce but the majority of all the forums I have attended claims that Bryce needs glue to work, without glue it's simply rubbish. Are they all wrong? Should we trust Adambty who claims that he alone have found the magic way of using it and that the rest should learn his techniq to master the un glued Bryce? I doubt it. If it work's for him, then that's fine for him but I for one would take the word of the majority instead of his. Everyone who has ever used speedglue on pretty much any rubber know's what it does, so claiming that Bryce or anything else (exept some of the newer powersponges) works great without glue is either utterly rubbish or proof that the person making the claim has never used speedglue. |
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oh ffs, not you again.
and, adam/kenn http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wtf |
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sprite
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It seems to me that there are two problems with adam's posts, namely jc and D4VOW.
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Leeroy
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hmmm...that actually tells much...
I had to quote that before it got deleted or edited...
To the topic, I see what your on about adambty. I have played with both Hurricanes and Bryce glued up. Hurricane can be "harder" to handle in more ways than one because of that resistance, but because of that resistance potentially can do more than Bryce. Not taking anything away from Bryce, they are both good rubbers.
I felt like I couldn't miss a loop with Bryce glued up on a Primorac Carbon, but it felt like potentially Hurricanes can do more but harder to handle.
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YATTP
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If you like unglued Bryce it's OK. I'm sure that you are not alone with this opinion, but you have to accept the fact that most players who play on a competitive level use speed glue for a very good reason. The characteristics of speed glued Bryce and unglued Bryce are *so* different that there is no point in comparing them.
In TT you can be good with anything as long as it's good for your game. |
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D4VOW, since when I do not allow others to have their own opinion. If others give their opinion I am fine. I am just give my opinion just like everyone else...
Opinion 1: Hurricane is spinner than Bryce
Opinion 2: Bryce is spinner than Hurricane
Why is it Opinion 1 is fine and Opinion 2 is a trash ? If you think Opinion 2 is trash, share your opinion why it is a trash, instead of personal attacks.
JC, what is wtf means ?
I hope with these few posting from JC the DTTW moderators and some of his friends, I hope will see clearly who is the real troublemaker.
Now back to the topic, Let me explain in more details...
Even though Bryce topsheet is less grippy compared Hurricane... it is very hard to spin Hurricane at high speed... it will tend to pull ball higher and further because ball tends to stick harder to the rubber, chances it will miss the table if swing too fast.
It is different for Bryce, although Bryce also have a grippy surface, when you hit at high speed... ball do not get stuck as hard as Hurricane, the ball will sink-in slightly because of its softer sponge, it will leave the blade quickly with the springy effect of its sponge, it will be just nice to impart a high spin ball ( due to your high speed swing ) which will land on the table much easier.
Most people are afraid to swing too fast on a ball, if you have bryce do have a try at different angle towards Bryce and see the result.
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ken/adam/wtf
your not so much lucky that we are not moderators here........ you are lucky here that the moderators dont make much impact here, and dont have such itchy trigger fingers as the dttw mods have ( and imho a itchy trigger finger is a good thing to have ) |
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i would imagine bryce is better at spin for fast shots and the hurricane 3 better spin at slow shots like serves, pushes. Although maybe bryce could be just as good or better on serves on an extremely fast swinging motion. Im not sure, this is just a guess. But i also hear that the chinese are taught particular motions to get maximum spin out of these tacky rubbers on fast shots too. What kind of motion is this for a forehand loop for example, just of curiosity, i dont play with chinse rubber.
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D4VOW
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Having your opinion is fine. The problem is that you don't allow anybody else to have their opinion, constantly going on about how great Bryce is and putting down anybody that says otherwise. Bryce may be good for you but it isn't good for everybody. Stop destroying threads with your constant barrage of trash. |
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adambty
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ttfreak, yes you can get spinner shots from bryce compared to hurricane if you strike the ball at the right angle and velocity.
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for those who has yet to get involved in this discussion, as you can see now who is trying to stir up problems in this harmless discussion... I am just posting my views. Just look at how JC, jcdi and the rest of the DTTW forumers jumping in to make fun of someone who has different opionion than them. Luckily they are not moderators here.
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fatcomet
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that reminds me... im gonna go chew some gum right now
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*JC*
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oh sh*t, i think someone devided by zero and created a time paradox.....
parrelle universe, etc.... im something quite simlair to this happened at dttw PS: i dont mean to brag, but i picked adambty being ken at least 3 months ago.... |
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Jolan
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Dear TT freak. I admire your boldness. I suppose you know you are leading to a dead end flaming war. It is still time to retire with dignified disdain and let this place as peaceful as it is...
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TT_Freak
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So, Adam. Are you saying that your serves and pushes are spinnier with Bryce than with Hurricane 3?
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Here we go again |
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adambty
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Unglued, Hurricane 3 cannot be compared to bryce, Bryce is definately more powerful than Hurricane 3 in both speed and spin. The only bad thing about Bryce is its price... the price cause alot of people hated it. BUT dont forget, it might be expensive, it also last longer.
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...What? You do realise that Bryce like Hurricane 3 is meant to be dripping with speedglue? Thats the entire point of rubbers that are made for professional use. At least with H3 it can be reasonable if you stick to the table, but Bryce will simply be an overpriced slab thats outperformed in all aspects without the benefit of speedglue.
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tthj2
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Could it be that if a handful of rubber sheets are examined the matter of gluing is a more important factor and not whether it is tensor or not.
If that's the case it may be better off with cheaper sheets and speed glue until the speed glue ban kicks in. However, this will become moot in 2008.
Soon the default situation will be with no speed glue and it could change many equations in terms of rubber and blade selection and perhaps technique. I think it will be interesting.
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adambty
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you probably dont know how to handle bryce. Shots has to be very delicate on bryce ( unglued ) to get its performance... and for that, not many people are able of. Thats why most people dont like to use bryce unglued.
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You can get better performance in all aspects in cheaper rubbers if you don't speedglue, such as Hammond X, Green Power and F1.
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