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jay6447 
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 Topic: How do I play this guy?Posted: 11/28/2008 at 1:16pm |
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Hi, This new tall guy (6.1 to 6.2) at my club usually stands within 1-2 feet from the table. He almost hits/places the ball as soon as it bounces off. Generally, places low to the sides of the table. I don't think he uses much of topspin or bottom spin in his game. He is good at smashing. It�s like, he doesn�t give you much time to react. Actually, when I watch his game it doesn't look that impressive - a little weird. He does this amazing v. fast long serve to my forehand (I am left handed) and generally gets an ace with it. I am usually able to loop/smash most long serves like these but this one is very fast and probably has some topspin on it - I actually miss the ball entirely!!! I am mainly a forehand loop player and reasonably okay with other strokes. Also, I think I generally play to the center of the table. I am looking for ideas and ways to beat this guy. Please guide. Thanks. |
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Hasham
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 1:38pm |
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Use very short backspin serves which will force him to push/chop the ball, when he does be ready for the third ball attack.
As for his serve, try to loop it 2-3 feet away from the table(you can even chop it from there) and quickly get back into position. Hope this helps Hasham |
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dragon kid
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 1:41pm |
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Stand a bit more to your left (middle of the table) on receiving serves, if it's fast and hard to reach don't go for a kill but go for placement to his elbow or weaker wing.. He sounds like a flat hitter, does he use SP?? |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 2:05pm |
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I hate people that stand right on the table and just hit everything right off the bounce -_-" I usually just try to hit through them and they eventually miss, but its probably not the best tactic.
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benfb
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 2:19pm |
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1. If he uses mostly that tough long fast serve, then start your receive further back from the table.
2. Do NOT try to hit through him on the first loop. Instead, put good spin, not too fast, and make the ball land near the end line.
The closer the ball lands to him, the harder time he will have hitting/blocking it off the bounce. You want only medium speed because you want to give yourself enough time to get in position for several shots like this. Extra spin will also be harder for him to control.
3. Look for shots that require him to move. Those are the ones that you can hit harder. Generally, people like that don't have great footwork.
4. Vary the pace/spin of your loops and see if he has trouble adjusting.
5. Practice patience.
Where I live, we have this very old (70 or so) Chinese guy who blocks at close to the table with medium pips. He's pretty fast, but then you don't have to much far when you're right at the table. Anyway, all the loopers (including some much higher rated) have trouble playing him. He can place his blocks to anywhere from any loop and then kill any loose ball. However, the one time I saw this guy get destroyed was by Sean O'Neill, and Sean was using the techniques I described above.
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The Shakehander
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 4:08pm |
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To move him off the table, serve long then move him back and forth, side to side and a combo of those :)
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 6:59pm |
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Sometimes taller people are good playing against wide balls and using their reach. It might be worth tesing him out down the middle and to the crossover point. But as others have said, vary the pace, spin and placement and be consistent. That tactic does tend to work against most people though so I am not really telling you anything radical there.
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everest81
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 7:21pm |
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Respect the guy and his skills, no matter how weird they maybe...that's the first step.
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Posted: 11/28/2008 at 9:01pm |
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then don't give him any returns that will make him do his attacks. stop his tempo do some placements on the opposite direction and don't play his game rather play yours
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jay6447
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Posted: 11/29/2008 at 1:28pm |
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Thanks for all the great tips. I just love to fumble against someone the first few times, then get some good tips like these from you guys, improvise my strategy and slowly improve my fight against the tough player, and eventually beat him. BTW, I of course respect everyone�s game; especially those who are better than me (like this tall guy whom I am anyway going to pester for more tips on how to beat him). |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 at 1:35pm |
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Dragon Kid asked -> He sounds like a flat hitter, does he use SP??
What is SP? Sorry, I am not too familiar with some of the TT terms.
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If he can contact the ball early to return your serve short, use 5th ball tactic. Serve-->Flick/push long to his left/placing short-->attack by looping.
For the next serve, you can either make a short topspin or heavy backspin (Usually, anyone whom contacts ball earlier are afraid of heavy spin and spin changing). Sometimes you can distract him by making a long, fast serve to his backhand. For his long serve, do not try to put a lot of power to finish. Just step behind a bit, wait for a moment and put a lot of spin on your loop, expect the next ball and finish him. If you try to finish him right from his serve without predicting his spin, you will just miss it. Slow down a bit and it will be fine. |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 at 6:47pm |
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SP = Short Pips
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Posted: 11/30/2008 at 12:23am |
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hey DK, how about if he serves on the BH side of this guy?my advice, get ready to know if it's a side spin, or topspin.or like the others said, get ready to loop the ball.that's what I do (i am left handed).go for it man.. |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 at 3:55am |
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A bit to the middle is standing on the half side of your BH side (right side of your middle line). So you should be able to cover your BH side comfortably.. This is to compensate the angle he gain from serving from his FH side of the table.. If you have lightning fast footwork, than maybe this will not be necessary.. |
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One thing that I have learned in TT is to replicate an opponent's technique and use it back against them. I am not saying stand in one spot and flat hit.
But try using the same serve at him and see how HE returns it. You will have your answer. If he stands close taking it off the bounce, then do that at times too. One thing that hitters hate is a looper who can vary his speed and spin. Try to slow your game down with this guy, PLACE every ball and mix it up. Make him move and attack to his crossover as per JKC said above. Elbow attacks may work, but I like attacking the middle against these guys -- messes their timing up. Think about this before you play him: what is he doing over there? What is HIS gameplan. Envision yourself taking the ball off the bounce and see what he is trying to do. Now think about what you need to do to confuse and cause him to have errors. It may be slow spinny loops. It may be serving dead balls occasionally. It may be varying the spin on similar looking strokes. Think of the game as an H, not an X. He hits forehand, hit to his backhand, NOT back to his FH. Get it? Lastly, if you are good enough to lob and do some fishing, I have seen hitters go ape$hit over a guy who lobs accurately with spin. This is a lot harder than it looks...so dont do this unless you have the skill, timing, and reactions required -- but mentally this can really piss off a guy who likes to hit off the bounce. Find out if this guy is using SP or Medium pips or what. You must know the equipment to understand how he is hitting the ball. Just my two cents here. |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 at 12:48pm |
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maybe change up your serves once in a while...switch the positioning and spin...If he's a hitter serve lots of underspin to his weaker side...my advice...
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Posted: 11/30/2008 at 1:14pm |
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Backup on his service. It will give you more time to react. If he starts serving shorter you may be quicker to see it and step in. You already know that you cannot react quick enough to what he is serving you fast and long.
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jay6447
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Okay, a very stupid question that I guess everyone in this forum knows: I looked up on the internet about "SP"... the diameter-height ratios of the pips etc...
Question is: with all these different types of pips, we are still talking about smooth side of the rubber on the outside, right? Or, is SP a bat with pips on the outside?
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Hasham
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Posted: 12/01/2008 at 7:12am |
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SP is a bat with pips on the outside 
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Posted: 12/01/2008 at 10:42am |
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What equipment you use and he uses?
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jay6447
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Posted: 12/01/2008 at 12:42pm |
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I am using Mark V for forehand and Butterfly Sriver for backhand. He probably uses something similar. Where I play, I think everyone uses some version of these two makes (or premades).
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Hasham
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Posted: 12/01/2008 at 12:47pm |
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that's one of my favorite combos 
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Posted: 12/02/2008 at 5:28am |
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make him use 2.2mm H3 and give him lots and lots of backspin
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Posted: 12/02/2008 at 8:09pm |
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great rubbers! what racket? |
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