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beeray1 
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 Posted: 10/30/2009 at 1:37am |
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oh jeez.. I had a bad night with H3 last night. I wanted to open up because I've just been aching to.
the first 3/4 of the night, the ball blew off the table every time.
last 1/4.. I nailed a few. Some kid yelled "that was like a kamehameha wave" or something...
I've also by the graces of the TT gods... accidentally stumbled upon a permanant glue effect (?????????)
The H3 has a reverse dome... so it doesn't stretch when I glue it.. so I went from using 4 layers to using 1... and its still super fast.
So now... I'm going on no layers... and it still has a glue effect equal to fresh gluing. Idk how I accomplished this. But the sponge is permanantly bigger than it used to be I think. But it just doesn't dome after gluing.
Either way.. I've found out that Speed gluing on my FH is unnecessary. Even with the chinese rubbers I've used in H2b, H3p, and BW2.
also found that Sriver FX + glue = T64, but a bit faster and much louder.
3 layers on SFX is way too fast. I'm thinking 1 or 2. So at least the glue will last me much longer now :)
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beeray1
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Posted: 10/30/2009 at 1:39am |
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I've never used 729-08.. never heard anything great though. however... in regards to H3: I KNOW there's a way to hit hard with it. But I dont know what that way is. But if there wasn't a way.. it wouldn't be the most popular rubber in china. Worth figuring out?
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Posted: 10/30/2009 at 2:05am |
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Does anyone know if 36 degree BWII untuned is any lighter (I have 38 that is still too heavy).
I would sacrifice some of the top end BWII speed for 5 grams of weight. p.s. I'm glad it's not just me who's hitting long balls with H3 :) Only when I smash or try 100% loopkill speed though. |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 at 7:35am |
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:P I still hate H3, let me know when you figure out how to make it stable :), I still believe my theory that the entire national team use H2 with various other stamps on them lol. But seriously it's the only modern DHS rubber that can play at that level. The rest of them are just for beginners I reckon but you've got to advertise them somehow. I've never heard anything other than good about 729-08 so I'll see how it goes
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JimT
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Posted: 11/23/2009 at 4:16pm |
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Have any of you guys used this one already
http://www.mytabletennis.com/shop/rubber/inverted-rubber/haifu-whale-ii-rubber-factory-tuned-with-permanent-tension.html Permanent Tension Haifu BW-2 Tuned... Alex, if you will be looking for a tester please keep me in mind - black, with 39 hardness, please  |
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Posted: 11/23/2009 at 6:35pm |
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I played one of these. It feels harder than the non-permanent 39 degree tuned. The previous non-permanent one tuned feeling lasted about 5 weeks (subjective), since I had this one for about a week, played with it in the tournament, I would say it played like 3 week old non-permanent tuned haifu II.
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Posted: 11/23/2009 at 11:06pm |
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thats gonna dissapoint a lot of people, as for most 3 weeks is all it used to last lol.
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cagaragesales
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Posted: 11/23/2009 at 11:57pm |
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That new labeling is permanent tension? I'd be surprised if it is because I've been selling that same batch for about 2 months now. There should already be review on them, except I didn't state that they were permanent tensioned... Same new packaging... Maybe Haifu didn't inform me of the new technology?
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JimT
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 10:20am |
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Albert, did the package have this new label on it, saying Permanent Tension?
@bluethunder - perhaps it feels like 3 weeks old NP BlueWhale but then that feeling lasts for a long time. Meaning it might be not as great as tuned NP but the effect is more or less permanent ? what do you think? Guys, what about the weight? Is it the same superheavy rubber as tuned BW-2? |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 12:18pm |
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Give me half a day and I'll prove my point.
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 12:47pm |
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Albert if it is indeed this new PT (permanent tension) rubber, could you weigh it in 38 or 39 hardness? To tell you the truth I still like BW-2 a tad better than my current 729-08 but the weight of 39-Tuned is killing me. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 12:55pm |
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Sure thing. I wouldn't be able to weight the sheet itself as it is vacuum sealed, but I can weigh the rubber with it's packaging. Unfortunately I only have my postal scale with me as the diamond scale broke. I'll be getting a replacement soon.
As for the "Permanent Tuning" label vs non label... I did not see anything different on the rubber/sponge. The outer packaging only has one extra red/pink sticker on it which can be easily removed. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 1:30pm |
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http://s730.photobucket.com/albums/ww306/polokiddv/
Here's a link to my photobucket which has pictures of some of the Haifu's I've had for over 2 months. I also have a comparison between a new sticker haifu and a non-new sticker haifu. My wife had translated that Haifu is indeed trying to say that with new technology, something is now permanent, and that it seems to refer to the tension. But from my friends experiences as well as my own, they play the same as the previous generation of Haifu... anyone out there that has a different experience? If you bought BW2 from me in the past two months, you most likely got these batches. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 1:46pm |
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I hope the permanent one's tension will last longer at the price of lesser tuned effect compared to the non-permanent one.
With the non-perm one, the rubber had a speed-glue dome when taken out of the vacuum package, the perm sheet was flat. So indeed there is a difference. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 1:48pm |
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Wasn't it "fiancee" until just recently? Congratulations, my friend!  So it is indeed seem to be the new one - PT version. Too bad it weighs and feels the same... although it might mean that the effect is lasting much longer. Has anyone play with the PT version for two months already? any changes in its behavior? |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 2:13pm |
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Bluthunder - you hit Report button instead of Reply. You should redo your post. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 2:34pm |
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It was  . Thanks Jim! |
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Sorry bluethunder, but I'd have to disagree with that. I'll post up a picture in the next 10 minutes showing that it still domes. And it domes quite a lot. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 2:44pm |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 2:48pm |
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Just wanted to add a little piece of information here. I had the non Perm Tensioned version (from Eacheng.net) sometime back. It had a slight REVERSE dome out of the package.
Can someone please confirm if they also had something similar? |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 2:54pm |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 3:48pm |
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The National Tuned version I bought from mytabletennis.com does not have REVERSE dome out of the package. Maybe because of tuned layer?
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 4:26pm |
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Mine - from MTTN.com - was pretty flat. No dome. |
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Posted: 11/24/2009 at 4:30pm |
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So I can see that some of the Albert's (cagaragesales) rubbers were indeed the new versions (PT). I bet that none of the people who bought them didn't notice that... after all there are many labels on many packages, but do wereally read them unless someone draws our special attention to the facts? Nope.
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